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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 13:31:58 GMT
Will Corbyn endorse Faiza Shaheen here? Maybe, like his US counterpart Bernie Sanders, Corbyn will back a range of leftists.
Corbyn is never going to be back in the Labour Party, and the party is on track for a fat majority courtesy of Sunak and Farage, so what's stopping Corbyn from coming out and backing some of the left-wing independents like Andrew Feinstein in Holborn & St Pancras, Emma Dent Coad in Kensington, and Faiza here?
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Post by right on Jun 12, 2024 13:45:00 GMT
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Post by cogload on Jun 12, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
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Post by graham on Jun 13, 2024 16:39:21 GMT
It rather sounds as if Shaheen will poll a significant vote share - albeit not on the same scale as Corbyn.
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 13, 2024 17:00:48 GMT
It rather sounds as if Shaheen will poll a significant vote share - albeit not on the same scale as Corbyn. Based on? So far, all I can see is vibes and a big volunteer turnout - not to be sniffed at, but still no evidence it will translate into anything more than a 5-10% vote share. |
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Post by Ports on Jun 13, 2024 17:19:17 GMT
If she came third and held her deposit that would be a creditable result for someone who had no public profile beyond being a parliamentary candidate.
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Post by right on Jun 13, 2024 17:35:27 GMT
It rather sounds as if Shaheen will poll a significant vote share - albeit not on the same scale as Corbyn. Based on? So far, all I can see is vibes and a big volunteer turnout - not to be sniffed at, but still no evidence it will translate into anything more than a 5-10% vote share. She had massive volunteer turnout in 2019 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 13, 2024 17:38:09 GMT
Based on? So far, all I can see is vibes and a big volunteer turnout - not to be sniffed at, but still no evidence it will translate into anything more than a 5-10% vote share. She had massive volunteer turnout in 2019 She was the Labour candidate |
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Post by right on Jun 13, 2024 17:41:57 GMT
She had massive volunteer turnout in 2019 She was the Labour candidate Yes, but the turnout for her was so large there were complaints she drained activists from more winnable seats. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 13, 2024 17:46:59 GMT
She was the Labour candidate Yes, but the turnout for her was so large there were complaints she drained activists from more winnable seats. Yes but she drained Labour activists, largely tantalised by the prospect of defeating IDS rather than the prospect of seeing Faiza Shaheen become an MP |
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Post by graham on Jun 13, 2024 17:47:11 GMT
She was the Labour candidate Yes, but the turnout for her was so large there were complaints she drained activists from more winnable seats. But she came close to winning in 2019! A 10% vote share might well be enough to prevent the official Candidate winning here. It will be interesting to see whether Corbyn campaigns on her behalf. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 13, 2024 17:54:34 GMT
Yes, but the turnout for her was so large there were complaints she drained activists from more winnable seats. But she came close to winning in 2019! A 10% vote share might well be enough to prevent the official Candidate winning here. It will be interesting to see whether Corbyn campaigns on her behalf. Labour came close in 2017 when it was totally unexpected (and presumably not targeted) - it then became a target and saw a continued Labour trend (reflecting partly a much more active campaign but also continued demographic change). I don't think she will get even close to 10% (a saved deposit would be a good result) but even if then, it only splits the Labour vote enough to let the Conservatives hold if the relative strengths of the two parties has not significantly shifted since 2019. Most of the opinion polls I've seen lately indicate that they have. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 13, 2024 17:55:08 GMT
A 10% vote share might well be enough to prevent the official Candidate winning here. And what an heroic achievement for socialism that would be. |
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Post by graham on Jun 13, 2024 17:58:19 GMT
But she came close to winning in 2019! A 10% vote share might well be enough to prevent the official Candidate winning here. It will be interesting to see whether Corbyn campaigns on her behalf. Labour came close in 2017 when it was totally unexpected (and presumably not targeted) - it then became a target and saw a continued Labour trend (reflecting partly a much more active campaign but also continued demographic change). I don't think she will get even close to 10% (a saved deposit would be a good result) but even if then, it only splits the Labour vote enough to let the Conservatives hold if the relative strengths of the two parties has not significantly shifted since 2019. Most of the opinion polls I've seen lately indicate that they have. But there has been some polling evidence to suggest that the pro-Labour swing in London could be well below the national average - reflecting the fact that much of the swing in Labour's direction has already happened there in 2017 and 2019. |
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Post by graham on Jun 13, 2024 18:00:23 GMT
A 10% vote share might well be enough to prevent the official Candidate winning here. And what an heroic achievement for socialism that would be. But many would feel that the interests of justice would have been well served by defeating Starmer's henchmen who would effectively own the defeat. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 13, 2024 18:01:42 GMT
And what an heroic achievement for socialism that would be. But many would feel that the interests of justice would have been well served by defeating Starmer's henchmen who would effectively own the defeat. That's what sib means. Revolutionary defeatism. |
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Post by graham on Jun 13, 2024 18:07:04 GMT
They would deserve it - having brought it on themselves.
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Post by cogload on Jun 13, 2024 18:13:05 GMT
Corbyn will be too busy trying to save his own seat to spare time campaigning in others. Let alone be able to redirect activists elsewhere.
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Post by cogload on Jun 13, 2024 18:17:37 GMT
Yes, but the turnout for her was so large there were complaints she drained activists from more winnable seats. Yes but she drained Labour activists, largely tantalised by the prospect of defeating IDS rather than the prospect of seeing Faiza Shaheen become an MP Didn't Owen Jones head up a few action days on her behalf? Thus generating a buzz? |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 13, 2024 18:19:49 GMT
Yes, but the turnout for her was so large there were complaints she drained activists from more winnable seats. But she came close to winning in 2019! A 10% vote share might well be enough to prevent the official Candidate winning here. It will be interesting to see whether Corbyn campaigns on her behalf. I doubt Corbyn has any intention of supporting any other left of Labour candidates. |
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