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Post by batman on Aug 7, 2024 8:58:41 GMT
labour will soon identify the wards they think they won in Chelsea and Fulham They'll find them in Fulham perhaps Chelsea Riverside too? must have been close |
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Post by batman on Aug 7, 2024 9:00:08 GMT
The boundaries of the borough are drawn rather more favourably for them than any constituency in the area. It’s funny these local government condensifications since the millennium (not that I support them), pushing neighbouring authorities together, never seem to touch London. You’d have thought Kensington would have been seen as too small, and neighbouring another authority that is also a little small, the two pushed together. quite a lot have combined their council services or even Chief Exec though |
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Post by sanders on Aug 7, 2024 9:11:46 GMT
NOC will be incredibly tough, as you would need the Lib Dems to surge in wards like Pembridge which has always been Tory. I think NOC will require re-warding. Pembridge is an outside bet for Labour too. But I'd agree in general NOC starts off straight forward enough: Earls Court returns a third Lib Dem, Chelsea Riverside going Labour, but then it’s harder to see Labour winning in Holland, and Norland. I’ve mapped this scenario but it feels Gloy Plopwell-ian. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 7, 2024 9:18:48 GMT
I think Westminster, Kensington & Chelsea and Hammersmith & Fulham had shared services and possibly a shared chief executive but the arrangement fell apart when the Tories lost H&F to Labour in 2014? Davıd Boothroyd can no doubt correct me as to the exact details. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 7, 2024 9:50:14 GMT
Westminster, RBKC, Hammersmith & Fulham, City of London = Manhattan
Camden = Queens
Islington = Brooklyn
Hackney = Bronx
Chelsea is like the Upper East Side with the Saatchi Gallery as the Guggenheim!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 7, 2024 9:51:31 GMT
I think Westminster, Kensington & Chelsea and Hammersmith & Fulham had shared services and possibly a shared chief executive but the arrangement fell apart when the Tories lost H&F to Labour in 2014? Davıd Boothroyd can no doubt correct me as to the exact details. Tri-borough was set up in 2011. Most of the arrangements were terminated by Westminster and RBKC giving notice to LBHF in 2017, though there are still some specific areas where the three boroughs are working together. There never was a single tri-borough chief executive, but Derek Myers and then Nicholas Holgate served as joint chief executive of LBHF and RBKC in 2011-14 before LBHF returned to having its own. Westminster and RBKC continue to operate biborough arrangements. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 7, 2024 9:56:51 GMT
Westminster, RBKC, Hammersmith & Fulham, City of London = Manhattan Camden = Queens Islington = Brooklyn Hackney = Bronx Chelsea is like the Upper East Side with the Saatchi Gallery as the Guggenheim! All Democratic! Particularly Manhattan. Westminster has been Conservative, though. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 7, 2024 9:59:24 GMT
Westminster, RBKC, Hammersmith & Fulham, City of London = Manhattan Camden = Queens Islington = Brooklyn Hackney = Bronx Chelsea is like the Upper East Side with the Saatchi Gallery as the Guggenheim! All Democratic! Particularly Manhattan. Westminster has been Conservative, though. Manhattan used to be Republican in the days of John Lindsay and Nelson Rockefeller at the local level and the state level, respectively. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 7, 2024 10:06:53 GMT
All Democratic! Particularly Manhattan. Westminster has been Conservative, though. Manhattan used to be Republican in the days of John Lindsay and Nelson Rockefeller at the local level and the state level, respectively. Yes...liberal Republican, fiscal conservative, socially liberal. But now, it's now even more Democratic. The Conservatives hardly exist whether it's H&F, Camden, Islington... |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 7, 2024 11:28:07 GMT
John Lindsay was fiscally conservative??
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Post by john07 on Aug 7, 2024 11:58:25 GMT
John Lindsay was fiscally conservative?? I can think of a number of ways to describe John Lindsay, some positive, more negative, but fiscal conservative would not be anywhere near. |
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Post by batman on Aug 7, 2024 13:19:09 GMT
Pembridge is an outside bet for Labour too. But I'd agree in general NOC starts off straight forward enough: Earls Court returns a third Lib Dem, Chelsea Riverside going Labour, but then it’s harder to see Labour winning in Holland, and Norland. I’ve mapped this scenario but it feels Gloy Plopwell-ian. Labour probably has more chance in Pembridge than in Norland. Successive boundary changes have weakened the party's position in the latter. |
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Post by batman on Aug 7, 2024 13:20:06 GMT
Westminster, RBKC, Hammersmith & Fulham, City of London = Manhattan Camden = Queens Islington = Brooklyn Hackney = Bronx Chelsea is like the Upper East Side with the Saatchi Gallery as the Guggenheim! London came first......... |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 7, 2024 14:13:29 GMT
Westminster, RBKC, Hammersmith & Fulham, City of London = Manhattan Camden = Queens Islington = Brooklyn Hackney = Bronx These are all incredibly terrible comparisons. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 7, 2024 15:06:16 GMT
Westminster, RBKC, Hammersmith & Fulham, City of London = Manhattan Camden = Queens Islington = Brooklyn Hackney = Bronx These are all incredibly terrible comparisons. In the sense that Stamford Hill is more like South Brooklyn and Williamsburg in reality, yes. But it’s important to use parallels wherever possible to make things easier to understand. Reasoning by analogy > reasoning from first principles, at least for most people in the real world. East Anglisk lefties should focus on … East Anglia, not London. In other words, please shut the fuck up if you don’t mind. |
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Post by Ports on Aug 7, 2024 15:26:15 GMT
These are all incredibly terrible comparisons. But it’s important to use parallels wherever possible to make things easier to understand. Reasoning by analogy > reasoning from first principles, at least for most people in the real world. East Anglisk lefties should focus on … East Anglia, not London. In other words, please shut the fuck up if you don’t mind. Once again that seems an unnecessarily harsh response that must further your apparent goal of evaporating any goodwill you might muster. The latter two sentences seem particularly unfair, since you have a habit of making sweeping and ill-informed statements about other parts of the country - when you made similarly simplistic and banal comments about parts of South Yorkshire for example, somebody telling you to 'shut the fuck up' would've been the least you deserved. In any case it seems pretty unlikely that somebody on a forum about *British* elections would gain anything from a comparison to the boroughs of New York without any further elaboration or justification - your comparison doesn't tell me in what sense 'Westminster is the Manhattan' of London, other than suggesting the existence of parallels I already knew about and therefore adds nothing to my knowledge. |
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Post by batman on Aug 7, 2024 15:38:46 GMT
These are all incredibly terrible comparisons. In the sense that Stamford Hill is more like South Brooklyn and Williamsburg in reality, yes. But it’s important to use parallels wherever possible to make things easier to understand. Reasoning by analogy > reasoning from first principles, at least for most people in the real world. East Anglisk lefties should focus on … East Anglia, not London. In other words, please shut the fuck up if you don’t mind. You of all people telling someone to STFU? Please, I know it's hard, but kindly stop spamming us with your ill-considered nonsense. Leave us alone, and get on with your infernal leaflets & campaign. Then please leave us alone some more. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Aug 7, 2024 15:53:34 GMT
These are all incredibly terrible comparisons. In the sense that Stamford Hill is more like South Brooklyn and Williamsburg in reality, yes. But it’s important to use parallels wherever possible to make things easier to understand. Reasoning by analogy > reasoning from first principles, at least for most people in the real world. East Anglisk lefties should focus on … East Anglia, not London. In other words, please shut the fuck up if you don’t mind. The boroughs of New York City are far larger (and more diverse) than their London counterparts. If you were to make any demographic/economic comparison probably the best one would be Manhattan = Inner London north of the Thames (excepting landward Tower Hamlets and possibly Hackney/Tottenham) Brooklyn = Inner South London plus most of Queens = North West London (basically the former Middlesex areas) Bronx = East London out as far as Barking, possibly including areas like the Lea Valley Staten Island = Havering, Bexley, Bromley etc But the geography doesn't work and there's not really an equivalent to many areas. Richmond and Kingston would be more akin to Westchester County (for instance). They're two different cities and making analogies beteeen them is only of limited value. |
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Post by batman on Aug 7, 2024 15:55:21 GMT
Returning to the actual point of this thread, here is my guess as to how each ward voted :
STRONG TO OVERWHELMING CONSERVATIVE
Royal Hospital, Stanley, Palace & Hurlingham
CLEARLY CONSERVATIVE
Redcliffe, Parsons Green & Sandford, Fulham Town
NARROWLY CONSERVATIVE
Munster
NEAR-DEAD-HEAT
Chelsea Riverside
NARROWLY LABOUR
Sands End
CLEARLY LABOUR
Walham Green
STRONG TO OVERWHELMING LABOUR
West Kensington, Fulham Reach, Lillie
though Labour probably had larger leads in W Kensington & Fulham Reach than the Tories had in any of theirs
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 7, 2024 16:02:44 GMT
Apart from anything else (and it probably shouldn't be taken this seriously), the proposition compares the whole of New York city to only a few inner boroughs of London, when most of those boroughs listed would correspond to Manhatten alone. Queens and Brooklynwould be more comparable to Middlesex or some of the South London boroughs and Bronx would be most comparable to East London (including the grot of Newham etc but also relatively pleasant suburban areas like Havering) Edit: I see bjornhattan got in with the same point while I was typing but it doesn;t hurt to reinforce it. |
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