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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2024 16:23:39 GMT
I note the link in the middle of the article to a previous one entitled "Liz Truss is campaigning harder than ever in her once safe Tory seat". |
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Post by swanarcadian on Aug 16, 2024 17:16:46 GMT
It’s amazing how something that happened over such a short period of time can define someone for the rest of their life. Liz Truss must regret ever standing to be Tory leader. If she hadn’t, we’d have probably saved some seats including her own.
Being a politician requires thick skin; even at the best of times it invites nasty things being said or written about you. But can it go too far? We live in an age where mental health has become much less stigmatised and a much more widely discussed issue, after all. Two years of non-stop mockery and derision would be too much for some people to bear. Liz Truss, I suspect, is coping with it. But we don’t know for certain.
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Post by heslingtonian on Aug 16, 2024 17:22:45 GMT
I think it is now very difficult to not conclude that there is something distinctly odd about Liz Truss. Which raises questions in itself as not many of our PMs within living memory could be considered odd individuals. Johnson potentially but the eccentric persona was largely cultivated for effect and for all his faults he could do clubbable. Brown appears to have been somewhat odd earlier in his life but appears to have become more regular as he has got older. Is Truss the most eccentric PM we've ever had?
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Post by batman on Aug 16, 2024 17:29:54 GMT
It’s amazing how something that happened over such a short period of time can define someone for the rest of their life. Liz Truss must regret ever standing to be Tory leader. If she hadn’t, we’d have probably saved some seats including her own. Being a politician requires thick skin; even at the best of times it invites nasty things being said or written about you. But can it go too far? We live in an age where mental health has become much less stigmatised and a much more widely discussed issue, after all. Two years of non-stop mockery and derision would be too much for some people to bear. Liz Truss, I suspect, is coping with it. But we don’t know for certain. I don't think she does regret it. She has almost no self-awareness as we would normally understand it at all. Everything is someone else's fault & never, ever hers. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Aug 16, 2024 17:33:22 GMT
It’s amazing how something that happened over such a short period of time can define someone for the rest of their life. Liz Truss must regret ever standing to be Tory leader. If she hadn’t, we’d have probably saved some seats including her own. Being a politician requires thick skin; even at the best of times it invites nasty things being said or written about you. But can it go too far? We live in an age where mental health has become much less stigmatised and a much more widely discussed issue, after all. Two years of non-stop mockery and derision would be too much for some people to bear. Liz Truss, I suspect, is coping with it. But we don’t know for certain. I don't think she does regret it. She has almost no self-awareness as we would normally understand it at all. Everything is someone else's fault & never, ever hers. Completely this. Total delusion. I get the impression that if she had her time again she'd probably do most of the same things. |
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Post by maxque on Aug 16, 2024 22:00:18 GMT
It’s amazing how something that happened over such a short period of time can define someone for the rest of their life. Liz Truss must regret ever standing to be Tory leader. If she hadn’t, we’d have probably saved some seats including her own. Being a politician requires thick skin; even at the best of times it invites nasty things being said or written about you. But can it go too far? We live in an age where mental health has become much less stigmatised and a much more widely discussed issue, after all. Two years of non-stop mockery and derision would be too much for some people to bear. Liz Truss, I suspect, is coping with it. But we don’t know for certain. If she just disappeared, she would have been forgotten by most by now. She is the one insisting to return to news all the time (see her current tour of USA in support of Donald Trump and her fighting with Jermy through press releases). |
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Post by Strontium Dog on Aug 17, 2024 1:28:43 GMT
I don't think she does regret it. She has almost no self-awareness as we would normally understand it at all. Everything is someone else's fault & never, ever hers. Completely this. Total delusion. I get the impression that if she had her time again she'd probably do most of the same things. I really feel that she's the most deranged figure in mainstream British politics. She makes Nadine Dorries look level-headed. |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 17, 2024 1:45:07 GMT
I think it is now very difficult to not conclude that there is something distinctly odd about Liz Truss. Which raises questions in itself as not many of our PMs within living memory could be considered odd individuals. Johnson potentially but the eccentric persona was largely cultivated for effect and for all his faults he could do clubbable. Brown appears to have been somewhat odd earlier in his life but appears to have become more regular as he has got older. Is Truss the most eccentric PM we've ever had? It may be that circumstances have combined to propel Truss further into the realms of madness much more rapidly, after her premiership as much as during it. Mention has been made on this forum before of the declining mental health of Ramsay MacDonald while he was still prime minister, particularly from about 1933 onwards, when he sometimes made speeches which didn't make sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 7:17:00 GMT
I wish she'd stayed on actually. We would've had Kim Campbell 2.0. Honestly, Tories would've been annihilated then. Liz Trump I call her now. Awful awful political with zero tact. Gives Oxford University a bad name.
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Post by batman on Aug 17, 2024 7:55:55 GMT
I think it is now very difficult to not conclude that there is something distinctly odd about Liz Truss. Which raises questions in itself as not many of our PMs within living memory could be considered odd individuals. Johnson potentially but the eccentric persona was largely cultivated for effect and for all his faults he could do clubbable. Brown appears to have been somewhat odd earlier in his life but appears to have become more regular as he has got older. Is Truss the most eccentric PM we've ever had? It may be that circumstances have combined to propel Truss further into the realms of madness much more rapidly, after her premiership as much as during it. Mention has been made on this forum before of the declining mental health of Ramsay MacDonald while he was still prime minister, particularly from about 1933 onwards, when he sometimes made speeches which didn't make sense. Interesting comparison. Macdonald was 67 years old by 1933, Truss is still youthful. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 7:57:56 GMT
It may be that circumstances have combined to propel Truss further into the realms of madness much more rapidly, after her premiership as much as during it. Mention has been made on this forum before of the declining mental health of Ramsay MacDonald while he was still prime minister, particularly from about 1933 onwards, when he sometimes made speeches which didn't make sense. Interesting comparison. Macdonald was 67 years old by 1933, Truss is still youthful. The Sarah Palin of the Tories. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 17, 2024 9:14:38 GMT
Except that Palin hasn't gone mad, no more so than previously anyway.
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Post by matureleft on Aug 17, 2024 9:59:17 GMT
It’s amazing how something that happened over such a short period of time can define someone for the rest of their life. Liz Truss must regret ever standing to be Tory leader. If she hadn’t, we’d have probably saved some seats including her own. Being a politician requires thick skin; even at the best of times it invites nasty things being said or written about you. But can it go too far? We live in an age where mental health has become much less stigmatised and a much more widely discussed issue, after all. Two years of non-stop mockery and derision would be too much for some people to bear. Liz Truss, I suspect, is coping with it. But we don’t know for certain. I’d agree with most of this. Provided she isn’t directly seeking a return to elected politics I’d rather see her left alone. Obviously if she stands in an election she must expect firm reminders of her track record. Yes, she appears to be lacking in self-awareness and is unable to see that she was the author (with a lot of rather ignorant connivance from party members) of her misfortune. That is a major barrier to her moving on in her life and she risks being a typecast character in a soap with declining audiences. But some live that way and she’s likely to be worth something on the lecture circuit regardless. I’d leave her to it if that’s her choice. I sense a person of greater vulnerability than she displays. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 17, 2024 10:20:14 GMT
It’s amazing how something that happened over such a short period of time can define someone for the rest of their life. Liz Truss must regret ever standing to be Tory leader. If she hadn’t, we’d have probably saved some seats including her own. Being a politician requires thick skin; even at the best of times it invites nasty things being said or written about you. But can it go too far? We live in an age where mental health has become much less stigmatised and a much more widely discussed issue, after all. Two years of non-stop mockery and derision would be too much for some people to bear. Liz Truss, I suspect, is coping with it. But we don’t know for certain. I’d agree with most of this. Provided she isn’t directly seeking a return to elected politics I’d rather see her left alone. Obviously if she stands in an election she must expect firm reminders of her track record. Yes, she appears to be lacking in self-awareness and is unable to see that she was the author (with a lot of rather ignorant connivance from party members) of her misfortune. That is a major barrier to her moving on in her life and she risks being a typecast character in a soap with declining audiences. But some live that way and she’s likely to be worth something on the lecture circuit regardless. I’d leave her to it if that’s her choice. I sense a person of greater vulnerability than she displays. There's more than a touch of another Norfolk figure - the Vicar of Stiffkey. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 17, 2024 12:38:12 GMT
I’d agree with most of this. Provided she isn’t directly seeking a return to elected politics I’d rather see her left alone. Obviously if she stands in an election she must expect firm reminders of her track record. Yes, she appears to be lacking in self-awareness and is unable to see that she was the author (with a lot of rather ignorant connivance from party members) of her misfortune. That is a major barrier to her moving on in her life and she risks being a typecast character in a soap with declining audiences. But some live that way and she’s likely to be worth something on the lecture circuit regardless. I’d leave her to it if that’s her choice. I sense a person of greater vulnerability than she displays. There's more than a touch of another Norfolk figure - the Vicar of Stiffkey. Although she is unlikely to be lionised in the same way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 15:40:07 GMT
I hope Jermy holds on here.
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Post by heslingtonian on Aug 17, 2024 15:47:27 GMT
I hope Jermy holds on here. It's at least four years away! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 15:59:48 GMT
I hope Jermy holds on here. It's at least four years away! Terry Jermy outdid Jermy Corbyn Labour. It is but let's predict anyway. See who is right and wrong. |
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Post by nyx on Aug 17, 2024 16:01:29 GMT
I hope Jermy holds on here. It's at least four years away! Most likely, though one can never be sure. I still haven't quite mentally adjusted to the "new reality" of infrequent general elections- I only started seriously following politics around the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, and of course for the next several years after that there was a general election every two years. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 16:06:20 GMT
How did Truss lose so badly? Was the economic issue point here? What about Brexit's impacts on SWN?
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