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Post by carlton43 on Jul 22, 2023 9:31:47 GMT
Unfortunately this by election is the gravestone of Tory environmentalism. Well! One can but fervently hope so; but we are used to so much disappointment from them. They are highly likely to backslide into damn fool nonsense at the drop of a hat or even a pair of underpants! |
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Post by gibbon on Jul 22, 2023 10:37:18 GMT
Vote Green, get Tory. Brighton Pavilion previously elected Tory MPs. In many places Tories vote Green (or Lib Dem) to keep Labour out. For a number of years the Green Party was in a Rainbow Alliance with the Conservatives to keep Labour out of office.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 10:39:09 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 22, 2023 11:00:34 GMT
But saying "reflect" is only "throwing under the bus" if you want to be melodramatic - as is routine with OJ these days.
Especially since there is surely stuff that can be done to mitigate the impact of ULEZ expansion short of junking it entirely (which remains unlikely to happen)
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 22, 2023 11:21:06 GMT
Unfortunately this by election is the gravestone of Tory environmentalism. Well! One can but fervently hope so; but we are used to so much disappointment from them. They are highly likely to backslide into damn fool nonsense at the drop of a hat or even a pair of underpants! Get ready for a Teal like wave next election in the blue wall cos its coming. |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 22, 2023 11:23:14 GMT
Uxbridge was the worst kind of Outer London seat to have a ULEZ referendum in because its white van man territory. Would like to to see this by election play out in other more educated Outer London marginal like the Barnet seats.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 22, 2023 11:24:56 GMT
Well! One can but fervently hope so; but we are used to so much disappointment from them. They are highly likely to backslide into damn fool nonsense at the drop of a hat or even a pair of underpants! Get ready for a Teal wave next election I'm your backyard cos its coming. If you say so dear! I didn't understand one word of your post. Was it in English? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 11:30:00 GMT
Well! One can but fervently hope so; but we are used to so much disappointment from them. They are highly likely to backslide into damn fool nonsense at the drop of a hat or even a pair of underpants! Get ready for a Teal like wave next election in the blue wall cos its coming. It really really isn't. Aside from anything else there are some very fundamental differences in political culture between us and Australia that make it hugely unlikely to happen here |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 22, 2023 11:32:15 GMT
Get ready for a Teal like wave next election in the blue wall cos its coming. It really really isn't. Aside from anything else there are some very fundamental differences in political culture between us and Australia that make it hugely unlikely to happen here The Teal Independents in the country are basically the Lib Dems and its well documented the threat they pose in the Blue Wall |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 11:33:31 GMT
Uxbridge was the worst kind of Outer London seat to have a ULEZ referendum in because its white van man territory. A Romford b-e would be quite grim for Labour on that front. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 22, 2023 14:36:24 GMT
Get ready for a Teal wave next election I'm your backyard cos its coming. If you say so dear! I didn't understand one word of your post. Was it in English? Yes, and it was blatantly obvious what was meant (even if I disagree with it). |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 22, 2023 16:14:30 GMT
Uxbridge was the worst kind of Outer London seat to have a ULEZ referendum in because its white van man territory. A Romford b-e would be quite grim for Labour on that front. Dagenham & Rainham would possibly be even worse as the Conservatives could gain it. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 22, 2023 16:22:17 GMT
A Romford b-e would be quite grim for Labour on that front. Dagenham & Rainham would possibly be even worse as the Conservatives could gain it. I don't have the census data to hand but I think you will find that car ownership is quite low in Dagenham & Rainham, and a lot lower than in Romford. |
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Post by batman on Jul 22, 2023 16:27:39 GMT
A Romford b-e would be quite grim for Labour on that front. Dagenham & Rainham would possibly be even worse as the Conservatives could gain it. disagree. The Dagenham wards provide too much of an obstacle for the Tories and constitute a clear majority of the constituency's electorate. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 22, 2023 20:26:23 GMT
Get ready for a Teal wave next election I'm your backyard cos its coming. If you say so dear! I didn't understand one word of your post. Was it in English? The bit about a “Teal wave” presumably refers to the recent phenomenon of people in Australia voting for Independent candidates (although there is no explanation as to how that is relevant to Uxbridge or anything in the UK). I have no idea what the “I’m your backyard” bit is supposed to mean. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 22, 2023 20:39:31 GMT
Has there been a rush of Independents winning seats? I've not noticed it. The fact the LGA proportionality has the Independent group at the highest level ever is largely because of gains by the Green Party, not by Independents.
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Post by where2travel on Jul 22, 2023 20:47:20 GMT
Uxbridge was the worst kind of Outer London seat to have a ULEZ referendum in because its white van man territory. Would like to to see this by election play out in other more educated Outer London marginal like the Barnet seats. Perhaps wrongly I've always assumed Hillingdon is to north-west London what Bromley is to south-east London in terms of being similar boroughs, demographics etc. That's on the basis I don't know Hillingdon well. Is Hillingdon more a mirror image of Bexley across London (rather than Bromley)? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 22, 2023 21:36:23 GMT
But saying "reflect" is only "throwing under the bus" if you want to be melodramatic - as is routine with OJ these days. Especially since there is surely stuff that can be done to mitigate the impact of ULEZ expansion short of junking it entirely (which remains unlikely to happen) KS did say in a speech today that he thought it was the wrong policy and was ammunition from the Tories. Sounds like that reflection is being ramped up |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 22, 2023 22:17:46 GMT
If you say so dear! I didn't understand one word of your post. Was it in English? The bit about a “Teal wave” presumably refers to the recent phenomenon of people in Australia voting for Independent candidates (although there is no explanation as to how that is relevant to Uxbridge or anything in the UK). I have no idea what the “I’m your backyard” bit is supposed to mean. The OP had corrected the post re backyard which appeared to be an autocorrect error very quickly if you bothered to read. They also clarified in a later post ( Davıd Boothroyd) that they believed the LDs would play a similar role to the Teals; I suspect the major difference is the Teals success came in suburban rather than rural seats, where the National Party held on quite comfortably. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 23, 2023 0:49:08 GMT
Indeed, the absence of a visit from Sunak - even though its not exactly hard from him to get to - maybe told its own story there. And the vibe I got from the Tory candidate, even after the result was announced, was that he didn't actually expect to win despite ULEZ. And maybe it wasn't really so much Labour "hubris" in that their vote was roughly what they had been expecting (and indeed what the constituency poll had predicted) rather than the right wing vote being impressively united, and more so than almost anyone predicted - and the depoliticised "send the mayor a message" Tory campaign (almost the sort of thing the LibDems have perfected down the years) was surely a big part of that. Taking these three byelections in the round, Selby and Somerton show that the current polls are pretty much correct. The signifcance of Uxbridge is that it shows the Tories can still come back from the dead (even if not to the extent of actually winning) if the other parties are careless enough to allow them to.
I agree. Using a football analogy, Labour are 2-0 up with 15 minutes to play. You should win from here, but "things can still happen"
a year and a half is a long 15 minutes. In FIFA the commentator used to say 'theyve got a comfortable lead' at 2-0. Inevitably the game would end 2-2. |
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