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Post by pepperminttea on Oct 21, 2023 18:21:52 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved.
Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer!
All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot!
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Post by greenhert on Oct 21, 2023 18:28:07 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved. Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer! All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot! The Liberal Democrats still managed to increase their vote share by 10.3% though, and furthermore Labour were starting from 2nd position instead of 3rd. I highly doubt the alleged incident actually happened-for a start any canvasser with any sense would know not to canvass at 5am and most of them would themselves be asleep then anyway! |
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Post by iain on Oct 21, 2023 18:39:57 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved. Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer! All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot! The Lib Dems will quite obviously not have been canvassing at 5am. Possible that someone delivering ‘good mornings’ was too loud and woke someone up. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 21, 2023 20:29:37 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved. Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer! All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot! The election is done. You don't have to create content for screengrabs now. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 21, 2023 21:00:20 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved. Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer! All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot! Nobody would be canvassing at 5am. They may well have been delivering "good morning" leaflets - there were certainly complaints about dogs being woken on polling day in Crewe & Nantwich. Nobody can be "dragged" to a polling station. |
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Post by batman on Oct 21, 2023 21:32:18 GMT
I've certainly never known anyone to be taken to a polling station against their will in this country.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 21, 2023 22:39:35 GMT
I've certainly never known anyone to be taken to a polling station against their will in this country. A few candidates perhaps...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 4:00:51 GMT
If this by-election took place on 20 July alongside the Selby, Somerton and Uxbridge contests, who would've won?
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Post by batman on Oct 22, 2023 8:22:33 GMT
your what-ifs can be a little annoying at times, but this is actually quite an interesting & good question. I'd say the answer is most likely the Conservatives, but it would still have been very close.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 8:33:21 GMT
FPTP is a funny thing
Bedford mayoral election: CON 33.1% LD 32.8% LAB 24.3% GRN 8% HERITAGE 1.9%
Mid Beds by-election: LAB 34.1% CON 31.1% LD 23.1% IND 4.6% REF 3.7% GRN 1.8% OTH 1.7%
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 22, 2023 11:37:10 GMT
I've certainly never known anyone to be taken to a polling station against their will in this country. I've certainly taken people to vote against the will of their nearest and dearest. In both cases with the full agreement of the voter themselves. A chap who was 100 years old and whose daughter thought he should be sitting in his chair watching daytime TV (he wanted to go out to vote; he probably just wanted to get away from Homes Under The Hammer!). And another chap who had been discharged from hospital the previous day. His wife wasn't happy but he insisted. (There was also the guy in Cheadle with terminal cancer who thought I was from the Conservatives and wanted "to get the seat back from the Liberals" and who - when he realised I was from the Lib Dems - suggested I turn round, take him home and he'd phone the Tory office. Of course I took him - and he voted Lib Dem in the locals as a "thank you".) |
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Post by pepperminttea on Oct 22, 2023 15:10:47 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved. Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer! All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot! The election is done. You don't have to create content for screengrabs now. It's what some ladies were saying on the train to London. I thought you all may be interested but this forum has always been very Lib Dem biased sooooo.... |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2023 15:26:46 GMT
The election is done. You don't have to create content for screengrabs now. It's what some ladies were saying on the train to London. I thought you all may be interested but this forum has always been very Lib Dem biased sooooo....This will come as news to the Lib Dems on here. |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Oct 22, 2023 16:08:06 GMT
Last to say congrats to Labour on winning. It was well deserved. Just a bit of an insight as to why the Lib Dems may have failed. I've just heard a group of women on the train saying that 'Emma's' team were canvassing at 5am in the morning waking up dogs and babies. One of the women said they dragged her 90 year old mother who'd just had an operation to the polling station against the advice of the carer! All of this is of course anecdotal/alleged but clearly they upset sections of the electorate here a lot! Nobody would be canvassing at 5am. They may well have been delivering "good morning" leaflets - there were certainly complaints about dogs being woken on polling day in Crewe & Nantwich. I rather tend to believe that some of the less political members of the British population will refer any form of voter contact activity, no matter how indirect (and thus including delivering leaflets), as canvassing. And many dogs are notoriously poor sleepers - indeed, I believe that at one time, for many people, this was probably the main reason for having a dog. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Oct 23, 2023 6:11:34 GMT
Amos is a world-class sleeper. Up to 23 hours a day. But if you post a feather through the door he will interrupt his sleep to engage in five minutes of barking
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Post by Dave Morgan on Oct 23, 2023 7:27:43 GMT
Even when doing a dawn raid in May/June time, when its light(ish) when you start, its hard doing a dawn raid and to not at any point just open the gate that bit too loud, or slip on the letterbox rather than close it perfectly quiet. But the darker, colder and wetter its just gets even more difficult, especially in a byelection when you'll have more people doing rounds they don't know, the chances just grow.
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Post by nyx on Oct 23, 2023 10:08:32 GMT
Nobody would be canvassing at 5am. They may well have been delivering "good morning" leaflets - there were certainly complaints about dogs being woken on polling day in Crewe & Nantwich. I rather tend to believe that some of the less political members of the British population will refer any form of voter contact activity, no matter how indirect (and thus including delivering leaflets), as canvassing. And many dogs are notoriously poor sleepers - indeed, I believe that at one time, for many people, this was probably the main reason for having a dog. Even I (as someone who tries to follow politics quite a lot) was not aware until now that delivering leaflets wasn't considered a form of canvassing by some people. I would definitely say as someone who used to deliver newspapers that waking up a few dogs is inevitable no matter how quiet you need to be- if someone's ordered a newspaper, that's on them, but I'd personally never deliver unrequested mail before 8am or so. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 23, 2023 18:01:22 GMT
I rather tend to believe that some of the less political members of the British population will refer any form of voter contact activity, no matter how indirect (and thus including delivering leaflets), as canvassing. And many dogs are notoriously poor sleepers - indeed, I believe that at one time, for many people, this was probably the main reason for having a dog. Even I (as someone who tries to follow politics quite a lot) was not aware until now that delivering leaflets wasn't considered a form of canvassing by some people. I would definitely say as someone who used to deliver newspapers that waking up a few dogs is inevitable no matter how quiet you need to be- if someone's ordered a newspaper, that's on them, but I'd personally never deliver unrequested mail before 8am or so. The political activist class that make up the majority of forum members have this arrogant belief that their silly little by elections and endless leaflets of lies are important enough to justify such rudeness. They are of course entirely wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 5:38:49 GMT
When was the last time before this by-election that Labour won a 'Mid' seat such as this one? Mid Staffordshire, 1990? There's also Mid Cheshire in 2024.
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Post by YL on Oct 24, 2023 7:23:17 GMT
When was the last time before this by-election that Labour won a 'Mid' seat such as this one? Mid Staffordshire, 1990? There's also Mid Cheshire in 2024. Labour have never won any of the currently existing "Mid" seats other than this one, unless you count Midlothian. As you say they won Mid Staffs (Lichfield & Stone) in 1990, and I think that is the answer to your question. There was a previous Mid Derbyshire which existed from 1885 to 1918, sharing Belper and Duffield with the current version but extending considerably further north, and Labour won that in the 1910 elections after the previous Liberal MP had defected to them. I think that is the only other "Mid" which Labour have won, but note that Mid Bedfordshire was the only one on the UK mainland from 1918 until 1974. |
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