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Post by johnloony on Jun 10, 2023 10:14:04 GMT
So EXACTLY like NUPES without PSOE No Breton speakers or Corsican speakers in NUPES though. JLM finds regional languages triggering. The Italian Communist leader Enrico Berlinguer was from the Catalan-speaking community of Sardinia, but anyway |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 10, 2023 18:04:36 GMT
No Breton speakers or Corsican speakers in NUPES though. JLM finds regional languages triggering. The Italian Communist leader Enrico Berlinguer was from the Catalan-speaking community of Sardinia, but anyway What - from that single, small area with few thousand speakers?!!! |
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Post by ilerda on Jun 10, 2023 21:12:57 GMT
The Sumar-Podemos alliance feels like a marriage of convenience at best. In reality it’s about simple survival.
I think it’ll be really hard for them to play happy families through the duration of the campaign (tensions already showing with Sumar trying to veto the nomination of certain leading Podemos members on the joint list) and once the election is over it’ll be almost impossible for them to coexist in a parliamentary group.
The only way for medium- to long-term success is for Sumar to basically fully subjugate Podemos in the way Podemos did to IU four years ago. Anything else and it’ll be impossible to maintain left of PSOE unity.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 11, 2023 0:53:06 GMT
The Italian Communist leader Enrico Berlinguer was from the Catalan-speaking community of Sardinia, but anyway What - from that single, small area with few thousand speakers?!!! Yes. Why not? Someone’s got to be. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jun 11, 2023 5:52:05 GMT
The Sumar-Podemos alliance feels like a marriage of convenience at best. In reality it’s about simple survival. I think it’ll be really hard for them to play happy families through the duration of the campaign (tensions already showing with Sumar trying to veto the nomination of certain leading Podemos members on the joint list) and once the election is over it’ll be almost impossible for them to coexist in a parliamentary group. The only way for medium- to long-term success is for Sumar to basically fully subjugate Podemos in the way Podemos did to IU four years ago. Anything else and it’ll be impossible to maintain left of PSOE unity. I agree, but they don't need to be a united group in parliament if they still coalition with PSOE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 10:56:58 GMT
But if they're not they may find PSOE try and sideline them on the grounds that they're too difficult to work with, and succeed on the grounds that the far-left can't get their act together to object forcefully enough
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Post by iain on Jun 11, 2023 11:45:09 GMT
But if they're not they may find PSOE try and sideline them on the grounds that they're too difficult to work with, and succeed on the grounds that the far-left can't get their act together to object forcefully enough I’m pretty sure that the far left will sit in a group together in Congress (maybe 1 or 2 members might splinter off) particularly if the left can still govern. Whether they do or don’t though, the PSOE have no choice but to work with them. They tried to deal with Ciudadanos after the first 2019 election but were rebuffed, and Ciudadanos have now basically ceased to exist. Absent a huge surge in support getting the PSOE much closer to a majority, there is simply no-one else for them to deal with. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 11, 2023 13:43:14 GMT
The Sumar-Podemos alliance feels like a marriage of convenience at best. In reality it’s about simple survival. I think it’ll be really hard for them to play happy families through the duration of the campaign (tensions already showing with Sumar trying to veto the nomination of certain leading Podemos members on the joint list) and once the election is over it’ll be almost impossible for them to coexist in a parliamentary group. The only way for medium- to long-term success is for Sumar to basically fully subjugate Podemos in the way Podemos did to IU four years ago. Anything else and it’ll be impossible to maintain left of PSOE unity. very much like Nupes then |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 11, 2023 14:09:15 GMT
Polling shows sumar on 30-40 seats
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Post by iain on Jun 13, 2023 14:58:45 GMT
In the backdrop to this election, coalitions are being formed in the regional governments, notably between the PP and Vox. No doubt this was part of Pedro Sánchez's reasoning for calling the early election.
Today the PP and Vox have come to a coalition agreement in Valencia, which is particularly controversial because the regional Vox leader has previously been convicted of domestic abuse. As part of the agreement, he will not be a part of the new government, and will instead head the Vox list in Valencia for the general election. So nothing to see there ...
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Post by Foggy on Jun 13, 2023 23:41:15 GMT
Feijóo's successor as head of the Galician government, Alfonso Rueda, has undertaken his first Cabinet reshuffle this week. He was probably due one in the next few months anyway since single-party administrations can get away with carrying them out annually, but the timing of the snap national election call has forced his hand somewhat.
Francisco Conde is stepping down as his deputy to be the PP's lead lower house candidate for Lugo, to be replaced by Diego Calvo. Ángeles Vázquez is the new second VP of the Xunta, the first woman to hold such a position in Galicia.
Rosa Quintana is also leaving after 14 to take up the slightly riskier position of second on the list for O(u)rense, which is the only province of Galicia that is landlocked. Her most recent position in the Cabinet was as minister for... you guessed it, the sea!
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Post by ilerda on Jun 14, 2023 6:59:44 GMT
In the backdrop to this election, coalitions are being formed in the regional governments, notably between the PP and Vox. No doubt this was part of Pedro Sánchez's reasoning for calling the early election. Today the PP and Vox have come to a coalition agreement in Valencia, which is particularly controversial because the regional Vox leader has previously been convicted of domestic abuse. As part of the agreement, he will not be a part of the new government, and will instead head the Vox list in Valencia for the general election. So nothing to see there ... Also interesting in that it’s likely to be seized upon by the PP as part of their strategy to encourage moderate voters to back them - ie. Look what happens when we almost have a majority but not quite. We have to do deals with the extreme right, but if you give us enough support to govern on our own that won’t be necessary. The deal with the PRC in Cantabria is also interesting. The outgoing regional president from the regionalist party giving his backing to the PP to avoid the need for Vox to enter government. Could that be a template for the Congress more along the lines of what we saw in the past with regionalist parties propping up single party minority governments from both left and right? |
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Post by iain on Jun 14, 2023 7:30:25 GMT
The deal with the PRC in Cantabria is also interesting. The outgoing regional president from the regionalist party giving his backing to the PP to avoid the need for Vox to enter government. Could that be a template for the Congress more along the lines of what we saw in the past with regionalist parties propping up single party minority governments from both left and right? Of course the current government is propped up by a large array of regionalists, so on the left that hasn’t really changed. But as I wrote previously, no, there is no chance of that happening on the right. Even if we suspend reality and pretend that Vox won’t be needed (basically implausible in itself, but whatever), the PP is far more extreme than it was 15 / 20 years ago. They would of course get backing from the Navarrese UPN and (without Vox) the Canarian Coalition, but that’s going to be, what, 4 seats max? I guess you could add single seats for Soria ¡Ya! And Por Ávila to that if they got elected. But in terms of vaguely significant blocs that the PP have worked with in the past, there is no way you can see them working with the Basque PNV any more, and certainly no chance with Junts in Cataluña (who themselves have also radicalised massively since the early noughties). |
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Post by ilerda on Jun 14, 2023 12:11:22 GMT
The deal with the PRC in Cantabria is also interesting. The outgoing regional president from the regionalist party giving his backing to the PP to avoid the need for Vox to enter government. Could that be a template for the Congress more along the lines of what we saw in the past with regionalist parties propping up single party minority governments from both left and right? Of course the current government is propped up by a large array of regionalists, so on the left that hasn’t really changed. But as I wrote previously, no, there is no chance of that happening on the right. Even if we suspend reality and pretend that Vox won’t be needed (basically implausible in itself, but whatever), the PP is far more extreme than it was 15 / 20 years ago. They would of course get backing from the Navarrese UPN and (without Vox) the Canarian Coalition, but that’s going to be, what, 4 seats max? I guess you could add single seats for Soria ¡Ya! And Por Ávila to that if they got elected. But in terms of vaguely significant blocs that the PP have worked with in the past, there is no way you can see them working with the Basque PNV any more, and certainly no chance with Junts in Cataluña (who themselves have also radicalised massively since the early noughties) Yes but this is regionalists propping up a coalition of coalitions. I’m talking more about the old style of a single party with close to a majority coming to informal arrangements with the assorted regionalists regardless of their supposed left/right leanings. I agree for Junts it’s now out of the question (although apparently for a while last week their leader in Barcelona was considering backing Junts for the mayoralty before the party bosses stepped it so who knows) but I think if it meant they were able to keep out Vox then the PNV and EV parties might be able to be persuaded even though they have both professed a preference for Sanchez. |
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Post by iain on Jun 19, 2023 23:18:53 GMT
In the backdrop to this election, coalitions are being formed in the regional governments, notably between the PP and Vox. No doubt this was part of Pedro Sánchez's reasoning for calling the early election. Today the PP and Vox have come to a coalition agreement in Valencia, which is particularly controversial because the regional Vox leader has previously been convicted of domestic abuse. As part of the agreement, he will not be a part of the new government, and will instead head the Vox list in Valencia for the general election. So nothing to see there ... And a quote from his replacement, Valencia’s new Deputy Premier: "It was Francoism that brought democracy to Spain...the political class under Franco was outstanding. No one should feel ashamed at having been a Francoist minister." |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 20, 2023 8:22:25 GMT
In the backdrop to this election, coalitions are being formed in the regional governments, notably between the PP and Vox. No doubt this was part of Pedro Sánchez's reasoning for calling the early election. Today the PP and Vox have come to a coalition agreement in Valencia, which is particularly controversial because the regional Vox leader has previously been convicted of domestic abuse. As part of the agreement, he will not be a part of the new government, and will instead head the Vox list in Valencia for the general election. So nothing to see there ... And a quote from his replacement, Valencia’s new Deputy Premier: "It was Francoism that brought democracy to Spain...the political class under Franco was outstanding. No one should feel ashamed at having been a Francoist minister."
It depends on how you define 'democracy' I suppose.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 20, 2023 9:19:18 GMT
And a quote from his replacement, Valencia’s new Deputy Premier: "It was Francoism that brought democracy to Spain...the political class under Franco was outstanding. No one should feel ashamed at having been a Francoist minister."
It depends on how you define 'democracy' I suppose.
The world of local elections during the Franco regime, is interesting... I presume there were by elections but can't confirm this. Does any mother know?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 20, 2023 14:11:30 GMT
And a quote from his replacement, Valencia’s new Deputy Premier: "It was Francoism that brought democracy to Spain...the political class under Franco was outstanding. No one should feel ashamed at having been a Francoist minister."
It depends on how you define 'democracy' I suppose.
Indeed. He certainly meant with "democracy" solely the liberal variant with several parties - and this one had been in place 1931-1936, but without popular support (the numbers of MPs was hiding this, as the elec.system boosted moderate parties within both blocs). It was the Franco-regime, that created a broad middleClass favouring liberal demoCracy. So he was right - i just disagree, that this would have been so positive. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2023 15:06:28 GMT
In the backdrop to this election, coalitions are being formed in the regional governments, notably between the PP and Vox. No doubt this was part of Pedro Sánchez's reasoning for calling the early election. Today the PP and Vox have come to a coalition agreement in Valencia, which is particularly controversial because the regional Vox leader has previously been convicted of domestic abuse. As part of the agreement, he will not be a part of the new government, and will instead head the Vox list in Valencia for the general election. So nothing to see there ... And a quote from his replacement, Valencia’s new Deputy Premier: "It was Francoism that brought democracy to Spain...the political class under Franco was outstanding. No one should feel ashamed at having been a Francoist minister." He does accidentally touch on an interesting point, which is the democratic constitution was indeed written by Francoists. But by the likes of Manuel Fraga and others who were post-Falange, as it were. Fascinating and complex characters. Especially Don Manuel. |
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Post by therealriga on Jun 22, 2023 16:25:04 GMT
Vox threatening legal action over a tweet made by Compromís stressing Vox's homophobia.
Very hard to see what Vox hope to get out of such a threat other than looking petty.
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