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Post by iain on Jun 22, 2023 16:44:23 GMT
Vox threatening legal action over a tweet made by Compromís stressing Vox's homophobia. Very hard to see what Vox hope to get out of such a threat other than looking petty. Also bizarre given that the tweet is just quotes
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 22, 2023 19:03:25 GMT
Anyone for a music video centred on Franco-era administrative divisions?
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Post by ilerda on Jun 22, 2023 19:34:36 GMT
Anyone for a music video centred on Franco-era administrative divisions? Well that's deeply disturbing! Even if it is a jaunty tune. Interesting that at this point they're still classing Palencia and Valladolid as part of León and not Castilla la Vieja.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 22, 2023 20:08:46 GMT
Anyone for a music video centred on Franco-era administrative divisions? Aren't these just the old regions which were defined long before Franco was even born?
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Post by WJ on Jun 22, 2023 20:57:32 GMT
This song was censored by the Regime, because of the lyrics. Interestingly, the map in the music video clearly calls Asturias "Asturias" and not "Province of Oviedo", which I suppose is another subtle dig at Franco's policies.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 23, 2023 8:33:20 GMT
Anyone for a music video centred on Franco-era administrative divisions? Aren't these just the old regions which were defined long before Franco was even born? I believe you are correct. I'm not sure he made any changes.
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Post by ilerda on Jun 23, 2023 10:03:21 GMT
They were regions in an informal sense since 1833, but never had any real role in administration etc. until some got a degree of autonomy under the Second Republic.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 23, 2023 13:16:04 GMT
They were regions in an informal sense since 1833, but never had any real role in administration etc. until some got a degree of autonomy under the Second Republic. Indeed. Although in the video Granada is not split from Andalucia proper (as it was the case during the republic).
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Post by ilerda on Jun 23, 2023 13:58:41 GMT
This song was censored by the Regime, because of the lyrics. Interestingly, the map in the music video clearly calls Asturias "Asturias" and not "Province of Oviedo", which I suppose is another subtle dig at Franco's policies. I thought the lyrics seemed suitably patriotic and pious. Unless they were meant to be taken as satire?
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Post by therealriga on Jun 23, 2023 14:07:07 GMT
Cecilia was a critic of the Franco regime, though one who managed to keep the criticism veiled in the lyrics. Songs like that one and others were censored and had to have their lyrics modified before release. Sadly, she didn't live to see much of the post-Franco era as she died in a car crash in 1976, the year after this song was released. She's possibly the most famous Spanish member of the "27 club."
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 23, 2023 14:53:37 GMT
They were regions in an informal sense since 1833, but never had any real role in administration etc. until some got a degree of autonomy under the Second Republic. Indeed. Although in the video Granada is not split from Andalucia proper (as it was the case during the republic). According to es.wikipedia the republic consisted of only 1 Andalucia. Nonetheless i have seen maps with 2 entities (perhaps juridical circuits?).
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 23, 2023 15:03:02 GMT
This song was censored by the Regime, because of the lyrics. Interestingly, the map in the music video clearly calls Asturias "Asturias" and not "Province of Oviedo", which I suppose is another subtle dig at Franco's policies. I thought the lyrics seemed suitably patriotic and pious. Unless they were meant to be taken as satire? They made her change the lyrics. The big about "es Espana mia, es Espana nuestra" was meant to be "viva" and "muerta" instead, and imply that it was in some sort of living death. The censors got hold of it and the rest is history.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 23, 2023 15:05:09 GMT
Cecilia was a critic of the Franco regime, though one who managed to keep the criticism veiled in the lyrics. Songs like that one and others were censored and had to have their lyrics modified before release. Sadly, she didn't live to see much of the post-Franco era as she died in a car crash in 1976, the year after this song was released. She's possibly the most famous Spanish member of the "27 club." I was surprised at how popular she still is in Spain. There were multiple documentaries on TV about her on my last two visits to Madrid, and numerous books about her in several bookshops.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 23, 2023 19:50:11 GMT
I thought the lyrics seemed suitably patriotic and pious. Unless they were meant to be taken as satire? They made her change the lyrics. The big about "es Espana mia, es Espana nuestra" was meant to be "viva" and "muerta" instead, and imply that it was in some sort of living death. The censors got hold of it and the rest is history. "Viva" & "muerta" were in those days often also ciphers to the public dispute in 1936 of deUNAMUNO, who supported per se the coup, but accused (backed by Mrs.Franco, by the way) a handicapped general to combat life and idolize death out of resentment. Not sure, how the "woke" tramps of our times would, if they had any idea of this happening, cope with such a behaviour: Tasteless insult excusable at a "fascistic" cripple? Both being "fascists"? Also very funny, that exactly the philosopher of blood came up with such an accusation...
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Post by therealriga on Jun 23, 2023 20:19:07 GMT
Cecilia was a critic of the Franco regime, though one who managed to keep the criticism veiled in the lyrics. Songs like that one and others were censored and had to have their lyrics modified before release. Sadly, she didn't live to see much of the post-Franco era as she died in a car crash in 1976, the year after this song was released. She's possibly the most famous Spanish member of the "27 club." I was surprised at how popular she still is in Spain. There were multiple documentaries on TV about her on my last two visits to Madrid, and numerous books about her in several bookshops. She seems to have been huge for her time. Six number 1s in Spain and at the time of her death was eyeing a wider breakthrough, particularly in the US. As the daughter of diplomats she was effectively a native English speaker as well due to spending her childhood in London and Washington, which would have given her a significant advantage in her career.
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Post by BossMan on Jun 25, 2023 20:31:30 GMT
So this is like the Spanish version of Nupes without PSOE Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. Quite a big pool of them.
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Post by therealriga on Jun 26, 2023 17:08:26 GMT
The latest Sigma Dos poll gives seat projections of PP 140 PSOE 102 Sumar 35 Vox 35 ERC 11 Junts 10 PNV 6 Bildu 6 The pollster has a good record and their projections at the equivalent stage of the campaign last time were close to the final result. In a scenario like that it would almost certainly be second election time since PP+Vox would hold exactly half the seats with support from no one else forthcoming. www.electografica.com/2023/06/encuesta-sigmados-230626.html
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2023 17:43:20 GMT
Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. Quite a big pool of them. Manu Valls as John the Baptist to Manu Macron's Christ. Discuss.
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Post by iain on Jun 27, 2023 8:42:14 GMT
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Post by WJ on Jun 28, 2023 9:56:15 GMT
I'll be back in Spain next week and it will be interesting to see what sort of campaigns are underway there. In the meantime, despite spending the last two months in Sweden, my phone still insists I'm in Spain, so I'm getting Spanish ads. Today I just got a Vox ad while browsing this forum.
Seeing as I'm not an eligible voter and that I'd rather have a tooth pulled then vote for Vox, I'm interested to know what algorithm selected me as a target!
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