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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2023 19:07:00 GMT
An interesting little factoid: Unless the leader heads a party which is regional, the leader of the party is almost always at the top of the party list for Madrid. This is the first election, at least in this century, where more party leaders are fighting for seats outside Madrid than in. Sanchéz (PSOE) and Abascal (Vox) are at the top of the Madrid lists, Belarra (Podemos) is fighting in Navarre, Díaz (Sumar) is fighting in Pontevedra and Feijóo is a senator, representing Galicia. Pah! Vox think they're Francoists, and then the PP run a Galician in Madrid. |
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Post by WJ on Jun 7, 2023 21:15:39 GMT
An interesting little factoid: Unless the leader heads a party which is regional, the leader of the party is almost always at the top of the party list for Madrid. This is the first election, at least in this century, where more party leaders are fighting for seats outside Madrid than in. Sanchéz (PSOE) and Abascal (Vox) are at the top of the Madrid lists, Belarra (Podemos) is fighting in Navarre, Díaz (Sumar) is fighting in Pontevedra and Feijóo is a senator, representing Galicia. Has Feijóo announced his intention to fight a congress seat? I’d assumed he’d go for either Madrid or a Galician province. Can’t see staying in the Senate as a viable option even if there’s no constitutional impediment. Not that I've heard of. Maybe it'll happen, but I don't think there's any particular pressure one way or another. |
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Post by ilerda on Jun 8, 2023 9:57:03 GMT
Time is ticking down rather quickly now for the parties/alliances/brands on the left to get their act together. The deadline to register coalitions is the 9th June, and so far Sumar has only finalised one - a pact with the little-known Canarian party called the Drago Project which won no seats in the regional parliament or any of the island councils last month. Update: deals have apparently now also been agreed with Chunta Aragonista, which is a reasonably successful left-wing regionalist party, and Initiativa del Pueblo Analuz, which is yet another name to add to the long list of unsuccessful Anadlusian left-wing regionalist parties. In the Balearics the left wing regionalists of Més and Ara have abandoned their pervious stand-alone coalition that also included the local branch of the Catalan nationalist ERC, and instead formed a new alliance that wants to join Sumar. |
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Post by iain on Jun 8, 2023 11:52:47 GMT
Podemos has announced that it is consulting its membership about a coalition with Sumar. Indicates that there is a deal on the table.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 8, 2023 12:09:07 GMT
Yes, my suspicion has always been that some kind of five minutes to midnight deal will be arranged.
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Post by ilerda on Jun 8, 2023 12:59:02 GMT
On a slightly tangential note I do wonder how all these parties and organisations manage to sustain themselves when they're constantly being subsumed into bigger ones.
Sumar is made up of parties and coalitions, which are made up of more parties and coalitions, which are made up of even more parties, some of which are technically themselves coalitions of ever even more parties.
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Post by WJ on Jun 8, 2023 18:31:05 GMT
On a slightly tangential note I do wonder how all these parties and organisations manage to sustain themselves when they're constantly being subsumed into bigger ones. Sumar is made up of parties and coalitions, which are made up of more parties and coalitions, which are made up of even more parties, some of which are technically themselves coalitions of ever even more parties. I think the answer is that they don't. For instance, every election there is a new name for each of the various Catalan nationalist coalitions of different ilks, which invariably fall apart and reform every few years. This is just magnified to greater levels for the larger national coalitions. |
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Post by iain on Jun 8, 2023 20:13:59 GMT
Both the PRC (Cantabrian regionalists) and Foro Asturias have announced they won’t run at the coming elections. Both currently have 1 seat in the legislature (though Foro’s came through a joint list with the PP).
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Post by Foggy on Jun 8, 2023 20:59:16 GMT
On a slightly tangential note I do wonder how all these parties and organisations manage to sustain themselves when they're constantly being subsumed into bigger ones. Sumar is made up of parties and coalitions, which are made up of more parties and coalitions, which are made up of even more parties, some of which are technically themselves coalitions of ever even more parties. The eventual electoral alliance that results from these talks ought to call itself the Muñeca Matroshka list. |
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Post by ilerda on Jun 9, 2023 0:27:02 GMT
On a slightly tangential note I do wonder how all these parties and organisations manage to sustain themselves when they're constantly being subsumed into bigger ones. Sumar is made up of parties and coalitions, which are made up of more parties and coalitions, which are made up of even more parties, some of which are technically themselves coalitions of ever even more parties. I think the answer is that they don't. For instance, every election there is a new name for each of the various Catalan nationalist coalitions of different ilks, which invariably fall apart and reform every few years. This is just magnified to greater levels for the larger national coalitions. I think it’s less about the coalitions that roll round under different names (like CiU, Junts pel Si, DiL, JuntsxCat etc.), and more about the parties that keep subsuming themselves into larger entities. For example the agreement between Sumar and Compromís has to be ratified not only by the ruling bodies of those two groups, but also by the ruling bodies of the three parties that makes up Compromís. It’s even worse in the Balearics where PSM is a member of Més x Mallorca which is a member of AraMES which is now joining Sumar. |
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Post by ilerda on Jun 9, 2023 8:04:11 GMT
Time is ticking down rather quickly now for the parties/alliances/brands on the left to get their act together. The deadline to register coalitions is the 9th June, and so far Sumar has only finalised one - a pact with the little-known Canarian party called the Drago Project which won no seats in the regional parliament or any of the island councils last month. Update: deals have apparently now also been agreed with Chunta Aragonista, which is a reasonably successful left-wing regionalist party, and Initiativa del Pueblo Analuz, which is yet another name to add to the long list of unsuccessful Anadlusian left-wing regionalist parties. In the Balearics the left wing regionalists of Més and Ara have abandoned their pervious stand-alone coalition that also included the local branch of the Catalan nationalist ERC, and instead formed a new alliance that wants to join Sumar. Further Update: Sumar has now formalised deals with 4 more parties/groups: Verdes Equo, Más Madrid, Batzarre (Navarra), and AraMÉS (Balears). The deal with Compromís is apparently still in pre-agreement phase (which I presume means awaiting ratification by the member parties), but it has been revealed that if approved they will run under the banner of "Compromís-Sumar: Sumem per guanyar" which means "Commitment-Unite: We unite to win". The role of Podemos in the Valencian Community is still tbd as the division of the top 4 list positions in all three provinces has been agreed by Compromís-Sumar, so any Podemos members would have to take spots reserved for Sumar to fill. Podemos meanwhile has threatened to run alone in the CV. |
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Post by iain on Jun 9, 2023 21:09:06 GMT
And, at the death, Sumar has united the entirety of the left-of-PSOE left. This is quite an achievement, but it remains to be seen whether they are able to convince the Spanish electorate that they are truly united. Either way, this means we have a competitive election.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 9, 2023 21:14:12 GMT
And, at the death, Sumar has united the entirety of the left-of-PSOE left. This is quite an achievement, but it remains to be seen whether they are able to convince the Spanish electorate that they are truly united. Either way, this means we have a competitive election. That is genuinely impressive. |
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Post by iain on Jun 9, 2023 21:16:52 GMT
And, at the death, Sumar has united the entirety of the left-of-PSOE left. This is quite an achievement, but it remains to be seen whether they are able to convince the Spanish electorate that they are truly united. Either way, this means we have a competitive election. That is genuinely impressive. The agreement includes: Movimiento SUMAR, Podemos, Izquierda Unida, Catalunya en Comú, Más Madrid, Más País, Compromís, Chunta Aragonesista, Més per Mallorca, Més per Menorca, Verdes Equo, Alianza Verde, Batzarre, Proyecto Draco, Izquierda Asturiana and Iniciativo del Pueblo Andaluz. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 9, 2023 21:58:20 GMT
So this is like the Spanish version of Nupes without PSOE
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 9, 2023 22:44:02 GMT
So this is like the Spanish version of Nupes without PSOE Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 9, 2023 23:14:53 GMT
So this is like the Spanish version of Nupes without PSOE Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. who is valls in this analogy |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 9, 2023 23:22:07 GMT
Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. who is valls in this analogy Good question. Given he tried Spanish politics too, Valls in this analogy is Valls-big party, nobody wants to invite him! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 7:28:32 GMT
So this is like the Spanish version of Nupes without PSOE Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. So EXACTLY like NUPES without PSOE |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 10, 2023 8:29:18 GMT
Basically. But also dragging in the Corsican nationalists, some deranged Breton language obsessives, a few people who just don't like Manuel Valls, and a few people who you definitely suspect were in the Front National but are now badged as Leftists. And anyone who has ever launched a PS splinter party. So EXACTLY like NUPES without PSOE No Breton speakers or Corsican speakers in NUPES though. JLM finds regional languages triggering. |
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