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Post by markgoodair on Sept 20, 2023 19:16:55 GMT
The regional languages topic came up recently as Spain has been (as part of the same concept) trying to push the EU to make them official EU languages. Unsurprisingly, the EU has found this rather annoying so Spain is now having to promise to pay for the costs of it itself. And they are quite hefty. I can’t imagine that there are many people who can translate Basque into Estonian . |
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Post by agedlikewine on Sept 20, 2023 19:29:48 GMT
The regional languages topic came up recently as Spain has been (as part of the same concept) trying to push the EU to make them official EU languages. Unsurprisingly, the EU has found this rather annoying so Spain is now having to promise to pay for the costs of it itself. And they are quite hefty. I can’t imagine that there are many people who can translate Basque into Estonian . That is not how translation works in the EU. Most "obscure language" people translate directly from the English feed. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 20, 2023 19:30:39 GMT
I can’t imagine that there are many people who can translate Basque into Estonian . That is not how translation works in the EU. Most "obscure language" people translate directly from the English feed. English is the lingua franca of the EU. 
I presume we must be getting tons of royalties.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 20, 2023 23:44:29 GMT
The regional languages topic came up recently as Spain has been (as part of the same concept) trying to push the EU to make them official EU languages. Unsurprisingly, the EU has found this rather annoying so Spain is now having to promise to pay for the costs of it itself. And they are quite hefty. I can’t imagine that there are many people who can translate Basque into Estonian . Actually the cost seems to be that you have to retrospectively translate all existing official documents back into the newly-minted language. Which would take years. Catalan you can get, but Basque and Galician have fewer native speakers in the EU than Turkish, Russian and Geordie. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 0:08:56 GMT
Can you imagine if either of the Extramaduran languages got official status?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 21, 2023 6:41:59 GMT
Can you imagine if either of the Extramaduran languages got official status? Silbo Gomero should also be made a working language of the EU. |
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Post by spqr on Sept 21, 2023 10:47:35 GMT
That is not how translation works in the EU. Most "obscure language" people translate directly from the English feed. English is the lingua franca of the EU.
I presume we must be getting tons of royalties.
Wolfgang Münchau writes about this in Eurointelligence today... in order to claim the opposite: www.eurointelligence.com/ |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 21, 2023 11:06:17 GMT
English is the lingua franca of the EU. I presume we must be getting tons of royalties.
Wolfgang Münchau writes about this in Eurointelligence today... in order to claim the opposite: www.eurointelligence.com/ What a pompous twit. He is going to be 100% wrong about language in any case. Bilingualism will be the standard in professional jobs first, then that will fuel the death of monolingualism in Europe. Of course, we won't live to see it, but it is completely irreversible now. |
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Post by spqr on Sept 21, 2023 11:18:53 GMT
He's usually better than that... it's not one of his finest columns. |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 21, 2023 11:26:13 GMT
On the Catalan question it’s a good test of the EU’s commitment to the idea of being a union if the peoples of Europe rather than a union of individual nation states. The whole idea of European citizenship and a directly elected Parliament is in line with the former, but a refusal to provide for major languages that do not happen to be ‘national’ languages would be a sign that it’s still primarily a union of nation states.
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Post by WJ on Sept 21, 2023 12:47:43 GMT
The regional languages topic came up recently as Spain has been (as part of the same concept) trying to push the EU to make them official EU languages. Unsurprisingly, the EU has found this rather annoying so Spain is now having to promise to pay for the costs of it itself. And they are quite hefty. I'm not sure how genuine the Spanish state's efforts are. They'll assuredly act sincere in their attempts to get the EU to allow more languages to appease the regionalists. But they'll feel relatively safe in the knowledge that the plans will be slapped down by the EU. |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 21, 2023 13:04:43 GMT
The regional languages topic came up recently as Spain has been (as part of the same concept) trying to push the EU to make them official EU languages. Unsurprisingly, the EU has found this rather annoying so Spain is now having to promise to pay for the costs of it itself. And they are quite hefty. I'm not sure how genuine the Spanish state's efforts are. They'll assuredly act sincere in their attempts to get the EU to allow more languages to appease the regionalists. But they'll feel relatively safe in the knowledge that the plans will be slapped down by the EU. That would only work if they'd already got Junts' agreement to support Sanchez for PM. As long as that remains an unresolved question Spain will have to genuinely do the work to get Catalan accepted at the EU level. |
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Post by WJ on Sept 21, 2023 13:28:48 GMT
True, but we're talking about things on very different timescales here. It might take years for the EU to accept those languages, even with a full-throttled campaign by Spain. There isn't the time for Junts to prevaricate on a vote for Sanchéz as PM.
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Post by john07 on Sept 21, 2023 21:39:33 GMT
English is the lingua franca of the EU. I presume we must be getting tons of royalties.
Wolfgang Münchau writes about this in Eurointelligence today... in order to claim the opposite: www.eurointelligence.com/ Is he any relation to Fu Manchu? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 21, 2023 22:16:28 GMT
On the Catalan question it’s a good test of the EU’s commitment to the idea of being a union if the peoples of Europe rather than a union of individual nation states. The whole idea of European citizenship and a directly elected Parliament is in line with the former, but a refusal to provide for major languages that do not happen to be ‘national’ languages would be a sign that it’s still primarily a union of nation states. Turkish even better. Given its status in Cyprus and Bulgaria as well. |
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Post by WJ on Sept 21, 2023 23:26:34 GMT
Catalonians should encourage Andorra to join the EU, then they'd get Catalan in for free.
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Post by iain on Sept 27, 2023 11:53:58 GMT
Feijóo has unsurprisingly been defeated in his first Investiture attempt - 178 to 172. The PP, Vox, UPN and CC voted in favour, everyone else against.
He will have a second vote on Friday, in which he needs only a plurality rather than an absolute majority, but, given an absolute majority voted against him today, nothing will change.
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Post by stb12 on Sept 27, 2023 11:56:51 GMT
Feijóo has unsurprisingly been defeated in his first Investiture attempt - 178 to 172. The PP, Vox, UPN and CC voted in favour, everyone else against. He will have a second vote on Friday, in which he needs only a plurality rather than an absolute majority, but, given an absolute majority voted against him today, nothing will change. Not far off but question is whether another election would likely get that block the extra seats needed |
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Post by markgoodair on Oct 4, 2023 11:40:19 GMT
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Post by ilerda on Oct 4, 2023 13:08:53 GMT
It's very interesting how Catalan politics is impacting the national negotiations and relations between parties.
ERC having to do a deal with PSC to get the Catalan budget through has brought them much closer to the PSOE than Junts are, and therefore significantly reducing their leverage in the negotiations.
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