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Post by aargauer on Dec 5, 2022 19:39:45 GMT
And even in 2010 which was I'd assume the last largely economically-influenced election (aka where the Tories were effectively blaming Labour for the economic downturn) the swing was tiny compared to other areas, and that was with no incumbency for Green (and she didn't appear to have any prior connections to the area) a fact even even more surprising given the then-not-insignificant bedrock of Conservative support in the Urmston side. It should be said though there was a sizeable swing against Hughes in 2005. There are of course changes afoot in Altrincham & SW too where Brady's majorities aren't what they were. Time will tell if he stands down, becomes Lord Brady, or takes the punt and gets his sizeable payout on losing. Back to S&U and the BE - I think there will be a high proportion of 'squeezed middle' types here who will really want to punish the Tories if they hadn't done so already. The houses aren't as grand as Bowden or Hale but they are still much more expensive than equivalent ones elsewhere in GM - due to a lot of people moving in attracted by the free grammar schools and doing their best for their children. Those are the types that will be tightening their belts in the current climate. And when their children go off to university I imagine this will also be of the demographic that will only qualify for a much smaller maintenance loan but equally can't afford to send significant amounts of support towards university living costs either. I think that aargauer is referring to class-based voting and middle-class urban/inner-suburban voters abandoning the Conservatives (though I think this can largely be explained in economic terms), rather than ethnicity or the state of the economy, if I'm not mistaken. At least that's the impression I got from his post. As a Tory kid from the posh urban north east of course I am. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 6, 2022 8:02:58 GMT
People have been saying that about Alty for about thirty years! They all used to complain about the McDonald's, then moaned when it closed. That's now a Nandos, so that particular demographic are happy. "Back when the market had a greengrocer, and a butcher, and a fishmonger, and a cheese stall" is one that gets levelled at Alty Market, too, by those that cannot have actually visited and seen the thriving greengrocer, butcher, fishmonger and cheese stall. Even better. Alty Market used to have a very good biscuit stall, but I can't remember it having anything other than a grim cheese stall, a tatty greengrocers that just sold cauliflowers, and don't remember a butchers at all. Are these people thinking of Coronation Street? Or Bury? |
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Post by bjornhattan on Dec 6, 2022 8:52:15 GMT
That's now a Nandos, so that particular demographic are happy. "Back when the market had a greengrocer, and a butcher, and a fishmonger, and a cheese stall" is one that gets levelled at Alty Market, too, by those that cannot have actually visited and seen the thriving greengrocer, butcher, fishmonger and cheese stall. Even better. Alty Market used to have a very good biscuit stall, but I can't remember it having anything other than a grim cheese stall, a tatty greengrocers that just sold cauliflowers, and don't remember a butchers at all. Are these people thinking of Coronation Street? Or Bury? In fairness, Altrincham does have its share of problems. I was there on Saturday, and spotted some ridiculous things, including a cafe/restaurant specialising almost entirely in toast. No town needs a place like that!  |
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Post by iainbhx on Dec 6, 2022 9:54:42 GMT
I used to have to visit a software supplier in Alty - my abiding memory was driving past the HQ of the Vegan Society.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 6, 2022 10:21:10 GMT
I used to have to visit a software supplier in Alty - my abiding memory was driving past the HQ of the Vegan Society. One councillor used to refer to it as "The Society of Fussy Eaters". |
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Post by iainbhx on Dec 6, 2022 10:24:54 GMT
I used to have to visit a software supplier in Alty - my abiding memory was driving past the HQ of the Vegan Society. One councillor used to refer to it as "The Society of Fussy Eaters". I like them already. |
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Post by neilm on Dec 6, 2022 11:15:54 GMT
People on Plymouth Live moan about the market there too. "It used to have some great stalls, I used to go to [insert name] for shellfish and [insert name] used to do great pasties. NOW IT IS TERRIBLE AND THE COUNCIL IS TO BLAME" and so on. All from people who live in Australia or Spain or wherever and who clearly haven't been in decades.
I suspect that Reach deliberately encourage this sort of thing to get clicks.
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Post by grahammurray on Dec 6, 2022 11:27:30 GMT
I used to have to visit a software supplier in Alty - my abiding memory was driving past the HQ of the Vegan Society. I think it's the Vegetarian Society that has its HQ just outside Altrincham. |
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Post by iainbhx on Dec 6, 2022 11:42:14 GMT
I used to have to visit a software supplier in Alty - my abiding memory was driving past the HQ of the Vegan Society. I think it's the Vegetarian Society that has its HQ just outside Altrincham. I could be wrong, it has been a decade. |
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Post by owainsutton on Dec 6, 2022 12:00:04 GMT
I used to have to visit a software supplier in Alty - my abiding memory was driving past the HQ of the Vegan Society. I think it's the Vegetarian Society that has its HQ just outside Altrincham. Correct. Formed in 1847, at a meeting chaired by the MP for Salford at the time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Brotherton |
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Post by grahammurray on Dec 6, 2022 12:04:06 GMT
I think it's the Vegetarian Society that has its HQ just outside Altrincham. I could be wrong, it has been a decade. I could be even more wrong. It's twenty years since he partner of a friend worked there. It was a huge old house opposite the gates of Dunham Massey. |
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Post by cuthbertbede on Dec 6, 2022 14:49:00 GMT
I had a meeting at the Vegan Society HQ in a previous job, circa 2018-19. It was in Birmingham, but that's not to say they hadn't been based elsewhere previously.
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Post by owainsutton on Dec 6, 2022 18:35:48 GMT
I had a meeting at the Vegan Society HQ in a previous job, circa 2018-19. It was in Birmingham, but that's not to say they hadn't been based elsewhere previously. The Vegan Society formed during wartime, and I don't think they've ever had a brick-and-mortar presence of note. vegsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Origins-of-the-vegans.pdfThe (very salubrious) Altrincham/Bowdon home for the Vegetarian Society appears to have been acquired in the 1960s. Possibly property gifted to the society? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 7, 2022 15:56:01 GMT
I had a meeting at the Vegan Society HQ in a previous job, circa 2018-19. It was in Birmingham, but that's not to say they hadn't been based elsewhere previously. The Vegan Society formed during wartime, and I don't think they've ever had a brick-and-mortar presence of note. vegsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Origins-of-the-vegans.pdfThe (very salubrious) Altrincham/Bowdon home for the Vegetarian Society appears to have been acquired in the 1960s. Possibly property gifted to the society? Very probably. A quick Google indicates that the archives related to the building are held by the RNCM. Nearby Devisdale, and Denzell Gardens, are well worth a visit for anyone stopping in the area. |
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Post by owainsutton on Dec 7, 2022 16:24:08 GMT
The Vegan Society formed during wartime, and I don't think they've ever had a brick-and-mortar presence of note. vegsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Origins-of-the-vegans.pdfThe (very salubrious) Altrincham/Bowdon home for the Vegetarian Society appears to have been acquired in the 1960s. Possibly property gifted to the society? Very probably. A quick Google indicates that the archives related to the building are held by the RNCM. Possibly not coincidental, 1972 is when the RNCM (then NCM) was formally created, as an amalgamation from its predecessor institutions. The area definitely had some attraction to the upper figures in Mancunian music life, there's a blue plaque just across on The Firs, on the house where Hans Richter lived while conductor of The Halle. (This thread is gonna be so much use if we ever get an Altrincham & Sale West by-election.) |
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Post by johnloony on Dec 7, 2022 16:34:54 GMT
Very probably. A quick Google indicates that the archives related to the building are held by the RNCM. Possibly not coincidental, 1972 is when the RNCM (then NCM) was formally created, as an amalgamation from its predecessor institutions. The area definitely had some attraction to the upper figures in Mancunian music life, there's a blue plaque just across on The Firs, on the house where Hans Richter lived while conductor of The Halle. (This thread is gonna be so much use if we ever get an Altrincham & Sale West by-election.) Oyal Ational Onfederation of Aoists? |
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Post by maxque on Dec 7, 2022 16:53:02 GMT
Possibly not coincidental, 1972 is when the RNCM (then NCM) was formally created, as an amalgamation from its predecessor institutions. The area definitely had some attraction to the upper figures in Mancunian music life, there's a blue plaque just across on The Firs, on the house where Hans Richter lived while conductor of The Halle. (This thread is gonna be so much use if we ever get an Altrincham & Sale West by-election.) Oyal Ational Onfederation of Aoists? The Royal Northern College of Music. |
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Post by owainsutton on Dec 8, 2022 13:19:16 GMT
I've seen one freepost-drop collection. Reform, Rejoin, Freedom, SDP. Almost indistinguishable from one another, in a selection of mid-blues. I'll try to get a decent photo.
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Post by atraffordlibdem on Dec 10, 2022 18:20:59 GMT
What are people predicting here, I’ll go Labour 64% Tories 21% Greens 7% Lib Dem 3% Reform 3% Others 2%
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Dec 10, 2022 18:26:52 GMT
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