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Post by aidypiez on Jul 8, 2022 11:22:14 GMT
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Post by samdwebber on Jul 8, 2022 11:26:26 GMT
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iain
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Post by iain on Jul 8, 2022 11:31:11 GMT
Lib Dem - 919 (40.9%)
Conservative - 620 (27.6%)
Labour - 559 (24.9%)
Green - 104 (4.6%)
Independent - 44 (2.0%)
No More Refugees - 1 (0.04%)
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Post by YL on Jul 8, 2022 11:31:15 GMT
ALDC have the figures as
Lib Dem 919
Con 620
Lab 559
Green 104
Ind 44
National Housing Party 1
(A 1 vote candidate two weeks running?)
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 8, 2022 11:32:36 GMT
Lib Dem - 919 Conservative - 620 Labour - 559 Green - 104 Independent - 44 No More Refugees - 1 I'm not surprised - candidates who do not want to be elected really ought not to stand at all if the seat is even remotely winnable. I think voters would be justifiably annoyed. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 8, 2022 11:33:03 GMT
So the "National Housing Party" is a far right euphemism, then?
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Post by jamesdoyle on Jul 8, 2022 11:38:46 GMT
Good Week/Bad Week Index
Lab +232
Grn +89
LDm +80
Con -157
Adjusted Seat Value
Lab +3.9
Grn +1.5
LDm +1.3
Con -2.6
Full explanation of GWBWI: vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/16159/good-week-bad-index
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 8, 2022 12:04:34 GMT
I wonder if we are seeing some dissatisfaction with Starmer's stance on the EU in London? Two quite big drops in Labour vote with more EUphilic Parties benefitting.
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Post by iang on Jul 8, 2022 12:15:07 GMT
I wonder if we are seeing some dissatisfaction with Starmer's stance on the EU in London? Two quite big drops in Labour vote with more EUphilic Parties benefitting. I think (especially given how well Labour tended to do outside of London last night) that voters in the two London by-elections were hacked off at having to go to the polls for the second time in about ten weeks, and punished the party responsible. And in Camden, we got the boost of having held the seat before and running the former councillor, so presumably good name recognition |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 8, 2022 12:15:25 GMT
I wonder if we are seeing some dissatisfaction with Starmer's stance on the EU in London? Two quite big drops in Labour vote with more EUphilic Parties benefitting. That’s probably a factor. But, as much as people there wont like it, to improve their vote distribution, and win a general election, appealing a bit less to people in Hackney and losing 10000 off their majorities there and appealing a bit more in Hastings is the way forward for Labour. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 8, 2022 12:17:26 GMT
I wonder if we are seeing some dissatisfaction with Starmer's stance on the EU in London? Two quite big drops in Labour vote with more EUphilic Parties benefitting. That’s probably a factor. But, as much as people there wont like it, to improve their vote distribution, and win a general election, appealing a bit less to people in Hackney and losing 10000 off their majorities there and appealing a bit more in Hastings is the way forward for Labour. I do wonder whether the circumstances of both by elections was more influential? Particularly Hackney which is pretty much a safe seat where the original winner would have expected to be elected. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 8, 2022 12:26:59 GMT
We have a similarly caused byelection in Bridgend coming up shortly, a poor Labour result there as well might suggest its maybe not Brexit so much.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 8, 2022 12:28:02 GMT
We have a similarly caused byelection in Bridgend coming up shortly, maybe a poor Labour result there as well will suggest its maybe not Brexit so much. Are the Conservative party or Plaid Cymru the likely beneficiaries? |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 8, 2022 12:29:59 GMT
I wonder if we are seeing some dissatisfaction with Starmer's stance on the EU in London? Two quite big drops in Labour vote with more EUphilic Parties benefitting. That’s probably a factor. But, as much as people there wont like it, to improve their vote distribution, and win a general election, appealing a bit less to people in Hackney and losing 10000 off their majorities there and appealing a bit more in Hastings is the way forward for Labour. We do keep seeing polls where a sizeable majority think Brexit is going badly. It would be interesting to know what people think would make it better. I do actually have quite good survey data from 2017 showing most voters including over 30% of Leave voters would have liked to stay in the Single Market, given Brexit was happening (including freedom of movement, explicit in the question). This from a Huddersfield Council Estate where 70% voted Leave and a majority voted Labour in 2019. What do they think now? Don't know, probably mostly a bit indifferent. Edit: I would also like to know how Labour intend to settle the Irish Sea border issue.. 🤔 |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 8, 2022 13:27:30 GMT
That’s probably a factor. But, as much as people there wont like it, to improve their vote distribution, and win a general election, appealing a bit less to people in Hackney and losing 10000 off their majorities there and appealing a bit more in Hastings is the way forward for Labour. We do keep seeing polls where a sizeable majority think Brexit is going badly. It would be interesting to know what people think would make it better. I do actually have quite good survey data from 2017 showing most voters including over 30% of Leave voters would have liked to stay in the Single Market, given Brexit was happening (including freedom of movement, explicit in the question). This from a Huddersfield Council Estate where 70% voted Leave and a majority voted Labour in 2019. What do they think now? Don't know, probably mostly a bit indifferent. Edit: I would also like to know how Labour intend to settle the Irish Sea border issue.. 🤔 I had to laugh when Tory MPs said they had lost confidence in Johnson because this Brexit wasn’t the right sort of Brexit. But none of them seemed to agree on the what the right sort would be. The Tory Eurosceptics will never be happy, they are natural complainers and will continue to be a thorn in the side of whichever leader they select. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 8, 2022 13:46:31 GMT
The 'progressive alliance' at any cost lot (FBPA... lol) have some very bizarre takes on election results, apparently the Hackney result proves the need for one... somehow... :/ Graham should enter the lexicon (like Karen) as a generic name for blokes who post fuckwitted takes on social media |
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Post by mrtoad on Jul 8, 2022 16:05:27 GMT
So the "National Housing Party" is a far right euphemism, then? Indeed - they're quite hard core racist Great Replacement nutters who did a protest at the Blackwall Tunnel with slogans like 'it's all right to defend white nations' and 'exit the Refugee Convention 1951'. You'll never guess what their favoured solution to housing problems might be. I suspect that they got 10 nomination signatures in Hampstead by talking about housing, and possibly putting their thumb over the bit about refugees in their party name. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jul 8, 2022 16:12:06 GMT
So the "National Housing Party" is a far right euphemism, then? Indeed - they're quite hard core racist Great Replacement nutters who did a protest at the Blackwall Tunnel with slogans like 'it's all right to defend white nations' and 'exit the Refugee Convention 1951'. You'll never guess what their favoured solution to housing problems might be. I suspect that they got 10 nomination signatures in Hampstead by talking about housing, and possibly putting their thumb over the bit about refugees in their party name. Ballot description is an entirely separate form? |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 8, 2022 16:59:57 GMT
Indeed - they're quite hard core racist Great Replacement nutters who did a protest at the Blackwall Tunnel with slogans like 'it's all right to defend white nations' and 'exit the Refugee Convention 1951'. You'll never guess what their favoured solution to housing problems might be. I suspect that they got 10 nomination signatures in Hampstead by talking about housing, and possibly putting their thumb over the bit about refugees in their party name. Ballot description is an entirely separate form? No snot. |
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mrtoad
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Post by mrtoad on Jul 8, 2022 17:05:45 GMT
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