myth11
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Post by myth11 on Jun 20, 2022 14:22:19 GMT
Le Pen gets some stick for never really getting elections over the line but an increase from 8 to 89 seats is quite an achievement For round 2 RN will get just over 5.8 millions euro's in vote money plus a little over 3.3 million in MP money and will get office money. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 20, 2022 14:26:06 GMT
Le Pen gets some stick for never really getting elections over the line but an increase from 8 to 89 seats is quite an achievement Helped massively by Macron and his cronies. Who could ever have thought that repeatedly megaphoning that the mainstream left was as bad as the far right would actually have consequences? |
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Post by relique on Jun 20, 2022 14:51:39 GMT
The left has split already. Well, not really split. Mélenchon proposed (via tv, always a good way to negotiate with comrades) to break the NUPES accord and only do one group. The others said they wanted to keep the NUPES agreement as it was negociated. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 20, 2022 15:06:22 GMT
The left has split already. To the great surprise of absolutely no-one. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 20, 2022 15:24:27 GMT
Without one assembly group does that make Le Pen leader of the opposition?
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 20, 2022 15:28:21 GMT
What, massacre the incumbants? Er… were you thinking of the Nepal royal family massacre of 2001? Buhtan, Nepal, it's all small mountainous far-away places of which people know nothing.  |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 20, 2022 15:37:09 GMT
Er… were you thinking of the Nepal royal family massacre of 2001? Buhtan, Nepal, it's all small mountainous far-away places of which people know nothing. Do geeky psephological anoraks not count as “people”? |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 20, 2022 15:38:30 GMT
Without one assembly group does that make Le Pen leader of the opposition? ODAVCV YIVIIS |
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Post by relique on Jun 20, 2022 15:43:36 GMT
Without one assembly group does that make Le Pen leader of the opposition? There's no such title in the french constitution. The leader of the opposition might be the pope (as some may have thought in 1904-1908) for all we know.
There is a recent tradition (what an oxymoron) that the position of president of the finance comittee of the national assembly would be given to a member of the opposition, the presidential majority's MPs abstaining from the election. Some say it should be the biggest group of the opposition, but there is no clarity.
Macronists are hinting that they are all for RN as the president of the comittee. Mélenchon is using it as an excuse to create a unique group of nupes with an Insoumis leader. Quite a big foot to swallow for the rest of the left. And they immediately said so.
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Post by aargauer on Jun 20, 2022 20:59:58 GMT
Le Pen gets some stick for never really getting elections over the line but an increase from 8 to 89 seats is quite an achievement Helped massively by Macron and his cronies. Who could ever have thought that repeatedly megaphoning that the mainstream left was as bad as the far right would actually have consequences? France doesn't have a mainstream left anymore, and mainstream right is on life support. Far right, far left or a little man with a napoleon complex at the authoritarian centre. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2022 21:40:42 GMT
Helped massively by Macron and his cronies. Who could ever have thought that repeatedly megaphoning that the mainstream left was as bad as the far right would actually have consequences? France doesn't have a mainstream left anymore, and mainstream right is on life support. Far right, far left or a little man with a napoleon complex at the authoritarian centre. Authoritarian Centre is a pretty good description! |
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Post by relique on Jun 20, 2022 21:47:08 GMT
Helped massively by Macron and his cronies. Who could ever have thought that repeatedly megaphoning that the mainstream left was as bad as the far right would actually have consequences? France doesn't have a mainstream left anymore, and mainstream right is on life support. Far right, far left or a little man with a napoleon complex at the authoritarian centre. I don't think I agree with your analysis but I do believe that, given the set of underwhelming politicians competing in those elections, my people has done the only sound and wise thing to do: emasculate the lot by not giving a majority to any. We also have proven that our system was not such the presidential system that every one (including Macron) thought it was. |
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Post by andrea on Jun 20, 2022 22:31:05 GMT
Tematai le Gayic is 21 years old and the youngest MP in the history of the 5th Republic. Another 21 year old was elected later in the night: Louis Boyard of LFI in Val de Marne 3. However, Le Gayic was born in October and Boyard in August. So Le Gayic keeps the "youngest MP" title. La Gayic at the airport leaving Polynesie to go to Paris |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 21, 2022 7:51:52 GMT
France doesn't have a mainstream left anymore, and mainstream right is on life support. Far right, far left or a little man with a napoleon complex at the authoritarian centre. I don't think I agree with your analysis but I do believe that, given the set of underwhelming politicians competing in those elections, my people has done the only sound and wise thing to do: emasculate the lot by not giving a majority to any. We also have proven that our system was not such the presidential system that every one (including Macron) thought it was. Nobody can say plague on all your houses like the French! |
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Post by neilm on Jun 21, 2022 8:00:17 GMT
I didn't realise that Melanchon is no longer a member of the National Assembly. What happened there?
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 21, 2022 8:07:18 GMT
I didn't realise that Melanchon is no longer a member of the National Assembly. What happened there? he stood down |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 21, 2022 12:05:11 GMT
Helped massively by Macron and his cronies. Who could ever have thought that repeatedly megaphoning that the mainstream left was as bad as the far right would actually have consequences? France doesn't have a mainstream left anymore, and mainstream right is on life support. Far right, far left or a little man with a napoleon complex at the authoritarian centre. Deeply and multiply flawed man that he is, one thing that JLM seems to be attempting is to recreate the "mainstream left" as a thing. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 21, 2022 12:56:14 GMT
France doesn't have a mainstream left anymore, and mainstream right is on life support. Far right, far left or a little man with a napoleon complex at the authoritarian centre. Deeply and multiply flawed man that he is, one thing that JLM seems to be attempting is to recreate the "mainstream left" as a thing. I fear you're being a touch generous to him there. I would argue that he is attempting to recreate the mainstream left but very much as a vehicle for himself and his immediate supporters. After all, would the French Left look as badly-splintered if he himself had decided to stay and fight for control of the PS rather than form his own group? He's like a star striker who never tracks back. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 21, 2022 12:59:17 GMT
Sure, but he's hardly going to be around forever is he. As I said I'm not a massive fan overall but still think this development is a positive one.
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Post by ilerda on Jun 21, 2022 13:12:11 GMT
What I think will define his success is how the parties/bloc work together in the new National Assembly. If they can continue to cooperate as a close-knit coalition (under the stewardship of LFI) then he may well have achieved what he set out to do. If however they end up splintering with PS and/or some of the ecologists putting a leg into bed with Macron to form some sort of majority then he will likely have achieved little in the long-run except get a few more red bottoms onto the French equivalent of the green benches.
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