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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2022 23:04:47 GMT
Strangely enough, Hautes-Pyrenees' 2nd constituency (which contains the shrine of Lourdes) was rather close between Ensemble and NUPES. I have been to Lourdes and I am surprised if there are a significant number of left-wing voters there! Very possible that the clericalism of the place makes it a Don Camillo world of Catholics and Commies. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2022 23:07:21 GMT
Aisne 3rd continues to be a meme constituency and re-elects its PS incumbent comparatively comfortably under the circumstances. One of Le Pen's strongest constituencies in the Presidential poll and also has the longest SFIO/PS winning streak (back to the mid 1960s). A series of small, bleak postindustrial towns in the north of Picardy, none of which are particularly notable. And a considerable contrast to the prosperous and conservative city of Saint-Quentin (France's answer to Lichfield), one of a small minority of constituencies that elected an LR member. (St Quentin dominates Aisne's 2nd constituency, so that constituency might as well be called St. Quentin). Maybe Stone would be a better fit. Or Aldridge-Brownhills. A little detached from various maligned communities, but enough to have its own identity. |
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Post by andrea on Jun 19, 2022 23:12:19 GMT
Final according to Le Monde
Ensemble 247 seats
NUPES 142
RN 89
LR - UDI 64
Others Left 13 (4 dissident PS incuding 2 incumbent MPs, Falorni, Benjamin Saint-Huile and various from Outre-Mèr)
Others Right 8
Regionalists 6
Centre 5
Others Far right 2
Others 1
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Post by oldhamexile on Jun 19, 2022 23:15:45 GMT
Reports that Élisabeth Moreno lost in North-West Africa. NUPES says they have beaten Roxana Maracineanu. Beaten by a lady who led a strike at an Ibis hotel-tussling with Accor is serious fighting with the French business elite. Why has Macron been so obsessed with former sportswomen as his sports ministers? Flessel, Maracineanu, Oudea-Castera. We also had an Olympic silver medallist sports minister once: Colin Moynihan, cox for the British Lightweight VIII at Moscow in 1980. Can't think of many other distinguished sportsmen/sportswomen to hold the job.? Strangely Blair chose to overlook the former middleweight boxing champion of Hong Kong. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 19, 2022 23:48:45 GMT
Would the left have done better with a less divisive figurehead than Mélenchon? Or if PS were the ringleaders rather than LFI? Given Melenchon’s very poor personal ratings, yes. However, the reason he’s the figurehead is that everyone else is weak and there’s no real alternative left leader at present so he was inevitably going to dominate the left campaign (that, and the fact he would have demanded it anyways). I mean let's be right. It's very likely without Melenchon putting together this alliance there probably wouldn't have been a left contingent in parliament. Given PS, Greens and Communists failed to even win enough votes to get a majority their own existence in the house is likely to have been very perilous. The left not only survived but theyre now the opposition and they have a future. |
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Post by neilm on Jun 20, 2022 0:26:11 GMT
Beaten by a lady who led a strike at an Ibis hotel-tussling with Accor is serious fighting with the French business elite. Why has Macron been so obsessed with former sportswomen as his sports ministers? Flessel, Maracineanu, Oudea-Castera. We also had an Olympic silver medallist sports minister once: Colin Moynihan, cox for the British Lightweight VIII at Moscow in 1980. Can't think of many other distinguished sportsmen/sportswomen to hold the job.? Strangely Blair chose to overlook the former middleweight boxing champion of Hong Kong. Who was that? |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 20, 2022 1:32:02 GMT
Beaten by a lady who led a strike at an Ibis hotel-tussling with Accor is serious fighting with the French business elite. Why has Macron been so obsessed with former sportswomen as his sports ministers? Flessel, Maracineanu, Oudea-Castera. We also had an Olympic silver medallist sports minister once: Colin Moynihan, cox for the British Lightweight VIII at Moscow in 1980. Can't think of many other distinguished sportsmen/sportswomen to hold the job.? Strangely Blair chose to overlook the former middleweight boxing champion of Hong Kong. He “overlooked” an England Rugby Union international. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 20, 2022 2:42:19 GMT
Strangely enough, Hautes-Pyrenees' 2nd constituency (which contains the shrine of Lourdes) was rather close between Ensemble and NUPES. I have been to Lourdes and I am surprised if there are a significant number of left-wing voters there! Very possible that the clericalism of the place makes it a Don Camillo world of Catholics and Commies. If i remember correctly, Lourdes has been a strongHold of "radicalism" (a la PRG). |
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Post by maxque on Jun 20, 2022 4:36:54 GMT
Very possible that the clericalism of the place makes it a Don Camillo world of Catholics and Commies. If i remember correctly, Lourdes has been a strongHold of "radicalism" (a la PRG). Lourdes itself only gave 15% to NUPES and 9% to PRG in 1st round (38% in the runoff), but you have to keep in mind the largest city in the constituency is Tarbes (43000 inhabitants to 13000). |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 20, 2022 5:56:26 GMT
Final according to Le Monde Ensemble 247 seats NUPES 142 RN 89 LR - UDI 64 Others Left 13 (4 dissident PS incuding 2 incumbent MPs, Falorni, Benjamin Saint-Huile and various from Outre-Mèr) Others Right 8 Regionalists 6 Centre 5 Others Far right 2 Others 1 Breaking these up Nupes 142 LFI 72 + 3 from Reunion PS 26 + 1 from Reunion EELV 16 PCF 12 Hamon cult 3 + 1 French Abroad GE 2 dvg (incumbent LREM disso) 1 Tavini 3 from Polynesia Pour la Reunion 2 from guess where, one of these inexplicably referred to as dvg Others Left 13 6 Nupes candidates that really don't belong here, 5 of them colonial: 3 dvg (2 from Guadeloupe, 1 from Guyane), 1 PS from Guadeloupe, 1 PCF from Martinique; the sixth a dvg (formerly PS) incumbent from Lorraine 1 dvg from Martinique who wasn't the Nupes candidate 4 PS dissos, 1 dvg who was basically a PS disso, 1 PRG Regionalists incl the "Other" 1 Breton 2 FEMU and 1 PNC from Corsica (were allied to each other, but PNC is kinda leftwing, FEMU isn't) 1 MDES from Guyane - this is another Nupes MP 2 Peyi-A from Martinique, very leftwing and supported by Nupes in the runoff so sort of arguably Nupes dissos. One of these not a party member and classified as Div  Ensemble LREM 147 + 6 French Abroad + 1 St Martin / St Barths Modem 47 + 1 French Abroad Horizons (cringe front org for Gaullists for Macron, the chronologically 2nd) 26 + 1 Corsica Agir (the 1st) 9 + 1 French Abroad PRV 5 dvd 1 (incumbent LR disso) Loyalist Union 2 from New Caledonia. This is itself an alliance of two parties one of which split from the other five years ago Centre 5 2 LREM disso 1 Modem disso from Guadeloupe 1 divers c from Wallis&Futuna who really should count as Ensemble 1 PRV disso sustained by LR LR-UDI LR 59 + 1 from Mayotte UDI 3 + 1 French Abroad Others Right 1 "dvd" cabinet minister (and noted rapist) who was obviously the Ensemble candidate 3 dvd who were basically LR candidates 1 Les Centristes, basically LR 1 from Reunion described as disso LR but without an official LR opponent 1 dvd from St Pierre et Miquelon 1 dvd from Mayotte who seems arguably ext d 89 RN 2 other far right: 1 DLF, 1 indy with RN support |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 20, 2022 6:30:05 GMT
Breton regionalist elected with 73.5% of the vote in Morbihan-4ème. Is that their first ever member of the national assembly?
The defeated Modem candidate appears to be another one of these celebrity sailors that France is oddly fond of. Well, it's not the end of the world. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2022 10:52:43 GMT
There was another one in Finistère I think. Can't remember his name.
The defeated Modem candidate appears to be another one of these celebrity sailors that France is oddly fond of. Well, it's not the end of the world. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2022 10:59:44 GMT
The new president of the assembly will be elected on the 28th June, and NUPES will be putting a motion of censure against the government on the 5th July. The new minister of agriculture, Marc Fesneau, is already raising the spectre of Macron calling fresh elections.
Alexis Corbière, JLM henchman, has accused Manu of not being clear enough in opposing RN. Which seems a little silly and somewhat hypocritical.
Richard Ferrand, president of the assembly and Macronista royalty, has lost his seat.
Final word goes to Eric Ciotti: "the Fifth Republic has turned into the Fourth".
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 20, 2022 11:31:54 GMT
It's an approach very much in line with de Gaulle's vision for the French Presidency and thus entirely normal - arguably correct and anything else is not - within the constitution of the 5th Republic. He is President, not Prime Minister and if you are going to have an Executive President with a PM there needs to be a difference otherwise the role of PM is pointless. Whether it was a feasible approach given how things are now is another matter. And it's perhaps an indication of our different political cultures that Macron chooses the metaphor of an Olympian God, whereas Harold Wilson put it this way: “I’m going to be what they used to call a deep-lying centre-half. I can’t say I’d be a sweeper, because no one outside football would understand.” Hadn't heard that one! I must say I prefer Wilson's style. I suppose it would make Thatcher a box-to-box midfielder involved in every move, Blair maybe a more Ray Wilkins-style playmaker, Brown a bruising centre-half and Boris Johnson a sort of Harry Redknapp-style manager. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 20, 2022 11:55:10 GMT
Final word goes to Eric Ciotti: "the Fifth Republic has turned into the Fourth".  |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 20, 2022 12:08:35 GMT
Le Pen gets some stick for never really getting elections over the line but an increase from 8 to 89 seats is quite an achievement
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Post by myth11 on Jun 20, 2022 12:34:41 GMT
The new president of the assembly will be elected on the 28th June, and NUPES will be putting a motion of censure against the government on the 5th July. The new minister of agriculture, Marc Fesneau, is already raising the spectre of Macron calling fresh elections. Alexis Corbière, JLM henchman, has accused Manu of not being clear enough in opposing RN. Which seems a little silly and somewhat hypocritical. Richard Ferrand, president of the assembly and Macronista royalty, has lost his seat. Final word goes to Eric Ciotti: "the Fifth Republic has turned into the Fourth". A motion of censure needs 289 so the LR sitting on the fence would be enough to defeat it. |
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Post by WJ on Jun 20, 2022 12:42:38 GMT
...Which seems a little silly and somewhat hypocritical. How to sum up European politics in the last 20 years |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 20, 2022 12:45:35 GMT
...Which seems a little silly and somewhat hypocritical. How to sum up European politics in the last 2000 years FTFY. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 20, 2022 13:23:28 GMT
The new president of the assembly will be elected on the 28th June, and NUPES will be putting a motion of censure against the government on the 5th July. The new minister of agriculture, Marc Fesneau, is already raising the spectre of Macron calling fresh elections. Alexis Corbière, JLM henchman, has accused Manu of not being clear enough in opposing RN. Which seems a little silly and somewhat hypocritical. Richard Ferrand, president of the assembly and Macronista royalty, has lost his seat. Final word goes to Eric Ciotti: "the Fifth Republic has turned into the Fourth". tbf the presidential maj did withdraw their support from their candidate who wouldn't step down against RN |
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