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Post by iang on Dec 15, 2021 22:19:48 GMT
I can't comment on her attractiveness. But I do recall a Labour leaflet headlined "Belinda is a moron", which wouldn't seem to have been successful
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 16, 2021 9:21:30 GMT
On the contrary, it shows the incompetence of the party, the agent and the candidate. The law is the law and it is what it is and it is a well known fact. Resign first and submit candidature afterwards when not in a state of disqualification. What on earth could be simpler? It’s obviously the agent’s fault for not checking, but it is perfectly reasonable to have assumed that so long as she was not a council employee when the election took place there wasn’t a problem. Also there was probably a notice period she was required to give, which might well have been a problem at a by-election which was called quickly. A work colleague of mine resigned to stand for council, which I thought was brave. No pay and no certainty of victory, or indeed another job, since you can’t live on councillor allowances. Actually, it is possible for a single person to live on the councillor allowance for many of the larger single-tier councils (Birmingham and Coventry are in that category). |
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 16, 2021 9:33:00 GMT
It’s obviously the agent’s fault for not checking, but it is perfectly reasonable to have assumed that so long as she was not a council employee when the election took place there wasn’t a problem. Also there was probably a notice period she was required to give, which might well have been a problem at a by-election which was called quickly. A work colleague of mine resigned to stand for council, which I thought was brave. No pay and no certainty of victory, or indeed another job, since you can’t live on councillor allowances. Actually, it is possible for a single person to live on the councillor allowance for many of the larger single-tier councils (Birmingham and Coventry are in that category). I wasn’t aware that allowances for backbench councillors had increased so much that this was possible. It certainly wasn’t when my work colleague stood, or even further back when I was a councillor. |
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 16, 2021 9:42:06 GMT
Actually, it is possible for a single person to live on the councillor allowance for many of the larger single-tier councils (Birmingham and Coventry are in that category). I wasn’t aware that allowances for backbench councillors had increased so much that this was possible. It certainly wasn’t when my work colleague stood, or even further back when I was a councillor. Coventry's allowance is a bit more than £15,000 these days, which is high enough that I could live off it, whilst Birmingham's allowance is a bit higher. But it does vary a lot with the size of the authority, and how easy it is to live off also depends on the cost of living in the council area (which often bears no relation to the level of councillor allowances). |
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 16, 2021 9:52:34 GMT
I wasn’t aware that allowances for backbench councillors had increased so much that this was possible. It certainly wasn’t when my work colleague stood, or even further back when I was a councillor. Coventry's allowance is a bit more than £15,000 these days, which is high enough that I could live off it, whilst Birmingham's allowance is a bit higher. But it does vary a lot with the size of the authority, and how easy it is to live off also depends on the cost of living in the council area (which often bears no relation to the level of councillor allowances). Bizarre since there’s nothing for a backbench councillor to do except point at potholes. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Dec 16, 2021 9:56:39 GMT
Coventry's allowance is a bit more than £15,000 these days, which is high enough that I could live off it, whilst Birmingham's allowance is a bit higher. But it does vary a lot with the size of the authority, and how easy it is to live off also depends on the cost of living in the council area (which often bears no relation to the level of councillor allowances). Bizarre since there’s nothing for a backbench councillor to do except point at potholes.
Tyreing work
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 16, 2021 11:51:42 GMT
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 16, 2021 12:24:31 GMT
Actually, it is possible for a single person to live on the councillor allowance for many of the larger single-tier councils (Birmingham and Coventry are in that category). I wasn’t aware that allowances for backbench councillors had increased so much that this was possible. It certainly wasn’t when my work colleague stood, or even further back when I was a councillor. When I was a councillor in Sheffield from 1999 to 2010 I was on £8K to £11K. That and the number of hours certainly qualified it enough to require signing off the Dole as being in full time work. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 16, 2021 12:29:14 GMT
Coventry's allowance is a bit more than £15,000 these days, which is high enough that I could live off it, whilst Birmingham's allowance is a bit higher. But it does vary a lot with the size of the authority, and how easy it is to live off also depends on the cost of living in the council area (which often bears no relation to the level of councillor allowances). Bizarre since there’s nothing for a backbench councillor to do except point at potholes. Who staffs planning, licensing, schools admissions, taxis, etc. on your authority? In Sheffield we had an unwritten rule that the Executive were *banned* from being on administrative boards. |
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Post by cj on Dec 16, 2021 13:28:53 GMT
Actually, it is possible for a single person to live on the councillor allowance for many of the larger single-tier councils (Birmingham and Coventry are in that category). I wasn’t aware that allowances for backbench councillors had increased so much that this was possible. It certainly wasn’t when my work colleague stood, or even further back when I was a councillor. I don't think its the generosity of the remuneration is the issue, after all my JSA was significantly reduced when I was signing on and a councillor as the largess of £3 1/2k put me above what the Government told the DWP to tell folks what they needed to survive.
Not to diminish the leap of faith your colleague took however.
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Post by owainsutton on Dec 16, 2021 13:53:15 GMT
I wasn’t aware that allowances for backbench councillors had increased so much that this was possible. It certainly wasn’t when my work colleague stood, or even further back when I was a councillor. Coventry's allowance is a bit more than £15,000 these days, which is high enough that I could live off it, whilst Birmingham's allowance is a bit higher. But it does vary a lot with the size of the authority, and how easy it is to live off also depends on the cost of living in the council area (which often bears no relation to the level of councillor allowances). About £6k in Trafford. Over the border in Manchester, same size wards and same elections in thirds, £16k. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 16, 2021 16:15:07 GMT
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Post by agbutler on Dec 16, 2021 22:43:07 GMT
Labour gain North Ormesby
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Post by andrewp on Dec 16, 2021 22:55:09 GMT
According to Twitter the North Ormesby numbers are
Lab 172
Ind 32
Con 20
LD 7
No wonder it was declared quickly.
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Post by iainbhx on Dec 16, 2021 22:58:39 GMT
That's just over a 13% Turnout.
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iang
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Post by iang on Dec 16, 2021 23:00:25 GMT
Always an achievement to get fewer votes than nominations
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Dec 16, 2021 23:01:29 GMT
Always an achievement to get fewer votes than nominations Its currently only two signatures needed, so that really would be an achievement! |
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iang
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Post by iang on Dec 16, 2021 23:05:45 GMT
Always an achievement to get fewer votes than nominations Its currently only two signatures needed, so that really would be an achievement! Fair point, forgot that😝 |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 16, 2021 23:06:18 GMT
Always an achievement to get fewer votes than nominations Its currently only two signatures needed, so that really would be an achievement! It has been done - www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/ward/10684/#2008-02-14(only proposer and seconder needed in Scotland) |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 16, 2021 23:11:13 GMT
Turnout in Telford and Wrekin's Dawley and Aqueduct ward is 26.3% (1,798 votes).
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