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Post by johnloony on Apr 8, 2023 11:34:28 GMT
They could join the constituencies in pairs, but without it being necessary for the two constituencies in each pair to be next to each other
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 9, 2023 5:50:23 GMT
They could join the constituencies in pairs, but without it being necessary for the two constituencies in each pair to be next to each other If Wrexham and Ynys Môn were to be announced as a pair, you just watch the legal filings flood in
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 15, 2023 11:06:03 GMT
They could join the constituencies in pairs, but without it being necessary for the two constituencies in each pair to be next to each other Strictly pair the largest with the smallest, the 2nd largest with the 2nd smallest, etc. Don't announce pairings until final electorate figures are known.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 22, 2023 11:26:45 GMT
They could join the constituencies in pairs, but without it being necessary for the two constituencies in each pair to be next to each other Strictly pair the largest with the smallest, the 2nd largest with the 2nd smallest, etc. Don't announce pairings until final electorate figures are known. :D Based on the secondary recommendation that would see Ynys Môn (51,920) paired with Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr (76,907) which have no connections to each other in any shape or form. When they said "pair" they mean pair in the literal sense, in other words its either going to be Ynys Môn and Bangor, Aberconwy (Bangor ac Ynys Môn) or Ynys Môn and Dwyfor, Meirionnydd (Ynys Môn ac Eryri)
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Post by johnloony on Apr 22, 2023 13:07:01 GMT
Strictly pair the largest with the smallest, the 2nd largest with the 2nd smallest, etc. Don't announce pairings until final electorate figures are known. Based on the secondary recommendation that would see Ynys Môn (51,920) paired with Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr (76,907) which have no connections to each other in any shape or form. When they said "pair" they mean pair in the literal sense, in other words its either going to be Ynys Môn and Bangor, Aberconwy (Bangor ac Ynys Môn) or Ynys Môn and Dwyfor, Meirionnydd (Ynys Môn ac Eryri) I know what “they” meant; i also know what i meant.
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Post by Penddu on Apr 27, 2023 16:01:49 GMT
I think they should be paired alphabetically from opposite ends of the Alphabet - so Aberafan with Ynys Môn, etc.
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Post by minionofmidas on May 1, 2023 9:26:41 GMT
I think they should be paired alphabetically from opposite ends of the Alphabet - so Aberafan with Ynys Môn, etc. Uh, sexy. I'm imagining people making crazy naming proposals with an eye to the resultant pairings.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 1, 2023 20:02:54 GMT
I think they should be paired alphabetically from opposite ends of the Alphabet - so Aberafan with Ynys Môn, etc. Uh, sexy. I'm imagining people making crazy naming proposals with an eye to the resultant pairings. Based on the secondary recommendations, I have one or two ideas floating around in my name and am trying to avoid compass points (for instance Cardiff South) and mention placenames. Two ideas I am toying with are Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire / Ceredigion a Penfro and Montgomeryshire and Wrexham
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Post by clyde1998 on May 1, 2023 20:22:02 GMT
I think they should be paired alphabetically from opposite ends of the Alphabet - so Aberafan with Ynys Môn, etc. Uh, sexy. I'm imagining people making crazy naming proposals with an eye to the resultant pairings. Ynysfan?
Pemham? Brecwy?
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Post by johnloony on May 1, 2023 20:50:14 GMT
I think they should be paired alphabetically from opposite ends of the Alphabet - so Aberafan with Ynys Môn, etc. Uh, sexy. I'm imagining people making crazy naming proposals with an eye to the resultant pairings. The way to avoid the possibility of that system being exploited for tactical / partisan advantage is to have a publicly-conducted lottery or random-selection mechanism to select numbers N, M, P etc such that the pairing of constituencies is done in alphabetical order according to the Nth, Mth, Pth letters of the name of the constituency instead of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 18, 2023 6:04:13 GMT
Today's the day when we get to find out all the rules and regulations. This is what the BBC is reporting with regard to the changes:
* Under the changes the electoral system would be replaced. Voters would get one vote, instead of the two they have now, with a choice of party lists rather than candidates. * There would be 16 constituencies, with six MSs elected in each. * The system used would be designed to elect candidates based on the proportion of votes they receive in the constituency. * Meanwhile the constituencies themselves would be based on seats planned for the next Westminster general election. * It is expected that election candidates would be required to live in Wales.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 18, 2023 7:55:39 GMT
Today's the day when we get to find out all the rules and regulations. This is what the BBC is reporting with regard to the changes: * Under the changes the electoral system would be replaced. Voters would get one vote, instead of the two they have now, with a choice of party lists rather than candidates. * There would be 16 constituencies, with six MSs elected in each. * The system used would be designed to elect candidates based on the proportion of votes they receive in the constituency. * Meanwhile the constituencies themselves would be based on seats planned for the next Westminster general election. * It is expected that election candidates would be required to live in Wales. I sincerely hope somewhat sensible constituency pairings are created, admittedly difficult especially in Mid and North Wales.
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Post by YL on Sept 18, 2023 8:18:45 GMT
I sincerely hope somewhat sensible constituency pairings are created, admittedly difficult especially in Mid and North Wales. There are various possible arrangements all of which are going to have some ugly constituencies. The big question is what you do with Brecon, Radnor & Cwm Tawe: you could appeal to the connections along the Usk and put it with Monmouthshire, the ones along the A470 and put it with Merthyr Tydfil & Aberdare, or the ones down the Tawe and put it with Neath & Swansea East. You could also put it with Montgomeryshire, but then you are forced into Glannau Dyfi. Going with the Tawe option, you might end up with something like the following: Ynys Môn/Bangor Aberconwy Clwyd North/Clwyd East Alyn & Deeside/Wrexham Dwyfor Meirionnydd/Montgomeryshire & Glyndŵr Ceredigion Preseli/Mid & South Pembrokeshire Caerfyrddin/Llanelli Monmouthshire/Torfaen Newport East/Newport West & Islwyn Blaenau Gwent & Rhymney/Caerphilly Cardiff East/Cardiff South & Penarth Cardiff West/Cardiff North Vale of Glamorgan/Bridgend Pontypridd/Merthyr Tydfil & Aberdare Rhondda & Ogmore/Aberafan Maesteg Neath & Swansea East/Brecon, Radnor & Cwm Tawe Swansea West/Gower
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 18, 2023 10:02:16 GMT
Today's the day when we get to find out all the rules and regulations. This is what the BBC is reporting with regard to the changes: * Under the changes the electoral system would be replaced. Voters would get one vote, instead of the two they have now, with a choice of party lists rather than candidates. * There would be 16 constituencies, with six MSs elected in each. * The system used would be designed to elect candidates based on the proportion of votes they receive in the constituency. * Meanwhile the constituencies themselves would be based on seats planned for the next Westminster general election. * It is expected that election candidates would be required to live in Wales. I sincerely hope somewhat sensible constituency pairings are created, admittedly difficult especially in Mid and North Wales. I had been led to believe in the first discussions of this, that the pairings would be the sole responsibiloty of the Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales, and that after the 2026 elections, they would have complete control over the boundaries (therefore would be able to move away from pairing Westminster and creating new constituencies that follow the 16 number rules)
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Post by Wisconsin on Sept 18, 2023 11:05:49 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 18, 2023 11:35:28 GMT
I sincerely hope somewhat sensible constituency pairings are created, admittedly difficult especially in Mid and North Wales. I had been led to believe in the first discussions of this, that the pairings would be the sole responsibiloty of the Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales, and that after the 2026 elections, they would have complete control over the boundaries (therefore would be able to move away from pairing Westminster and creating new constituencies that follow the 16 number rules) Harry is correct (faints). In fact after the first review it will be impossible to just pair Westminster constituencies, as Ynys Mon (whether you pair it with Bangor Aberconwy or Dwyfor Merionnydd) will be below the 90% size threshold.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 18, 2023 11:37:46 GMT
They would be better off starting with newly drawn constituencies: the new Westminster ones are not appropriately drawn for this kind of thing and you have an immediate malappointment problem given Anglesey.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 18, 2023 12:26:47 GMT
The first thing that leaps out at me is "We're back to every four years!" "In section 3(1) (ordinary general elections) of the 2006 Act, for “fifth” substitute “fourth"" I was never sold on the idea of a Senedd election every five years, especially when the Fixed Term Parliament Act was abolished
The one thing I don't like is that in Wales, the Senedd by-election will cease to be (just as it is in Northern Ireland)
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 18, 2023 12:45:49 GMT
If you are ignoring the Westminster seats, you could end up with something like this.
Ynys Mon / Gwynedd - 1 Conwy / Denbighshire / Flintshire - 2 Wrexham / Montgomeryshire - 1 Ceredigion / Pembrokeshire - 1 Carmarthenshire - 1 Swansea / Neath Port Talbot - 2 Monmouthshire / Torfaen - 1 Newport / Caerphilly / Blaenau Gwent - 2 Cardiff (plus Penarth) - 2 Bridgend / rest of Vale - 1 Merthyr / Rhondda / rest of Powys - 2
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 18, 2023 15:08:25 GMT
If we assume (and for this I am grateful to kevinlarkin for Boundary Assistant and hope it never disappears) that the Welsh electorate will be divided into 16 constituencies, then on average (based on December 2020) every constituency would have a base of 141,891 electors and therefore in this neck of the woods: Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire: 150,883 electors Carmarthenshire: 142,578 electors Powys: 103,954 electors (and therefore could combine with Merthyr Tydfil to give 149,035 electors)
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