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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 21, 2023 22:22:10 GMT
Milei is described as "far-right" by the BBC. For those more clued into Argentinian politics, is he genuinely "far-right" or is he "far-right" in the modern, highly devalued sense of the term? His main idea seems to be spending cuts, which I don't associate with the "far-right". He is a radical rightLiberal ("Libertarian", "anArcho-capitalist") and will probably try to roll it out in a more dedicated way than Mrs.Truss finally did. His stance against abOrtion is probably only artificial to attract actual conServatives. If one labels him "far-right", i am not sure, how then a national(social)ist could be called - "beyond far-right"? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 21, 2023 22:27:39 GMT
Some news this week that doesn't bode well for Argentina's future is blatant interference by Alberto Fernández. A criminal complaint has been issued against Milei after he made the not-unfair point that the peso was useless and that Argentines were doing nothing wrong in hoarding foreign currency. This complaint has been loudly backed by Fernández. Of course, no action has been taken against any of the people with direct responsibility for destroying the value of the peso, or leaving it with different exchange rates if you're exporting wine or soy. Given the inCumbent's "popularity", this could have delivered Milei a victory in round I... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 10:14:05 GMT
It's a full-on general election today. Not just the presidency but congress and most states as well.
It hasn't been a good few days for the Peronists. Allegations of corruption, paedophilia and even murder have been thrown at some senior figures.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2023 10:14:54 GMT
It's a full-on general election today. Not just the presidency but congress and most states as well. It hasn't been a good few days for the Peronists. Allegations of corruption, paedophilia and even murder have been thrown at some senior figures. So just your average election in Argentina then. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 11:15:00 GMT
It's a full-on general election today. Not just the presidency but congress and most states as well. It hasn't been a good few days for the Peronists. Allegations of corruption, paedophilia and even murder have been thrown at some senior figures. So just your average election in Argentina then. Bit tame really. Only one governor has come close to being forcibly removed by a mob. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 13:23:33 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 22, 2023 14:55:30 GMT
They will be back - when the Radicals lost the Peronists, the Peronists won again. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 15:18:02 GMT
They will be back - when the Radicals lost the Peronists, the Peronists won again. They probably will, but when and in what form is the question. The Fernández administration has been a total disaster that has tested the resolve of even the most hardcore Kirchnerites. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 15:34:23 GMT
29.6 per cent of the electorate have voted as of half an hour ago.
There are reports of enormous queues to vote in Spain, where 110,000 Argentines are registered to vote.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 15:36:59 GMT
Milei is described as "far-right" by the BBC. For those more clued into Argentinian politics, is he genuinely "far-right" or is he "far-right" in the modern, highly devalued sense of the term? His main idea seems to be spending cuts, which I don't associate with the "far-right". He is a radical rightLiberal ("Libertarian", "anArcho-capitalist") and will probably try to roll it out in a more dedicated way than Mrs.Truss finally did. His stance against abOrtion is probably only artificial to attract actual conServatives. If one labels him "far-right", i am not sure, how then a national(social)ist could be called - "beyond far-right"? Well, Peronism is arguably national socialism. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 22, 2023 15:39:47 GMT
He is a radical rightLiberal ("Libertarian", "anArcho-capitalist") and will probably try to roll it out in a more dedicated way than Mrs.Truss finally did. His stance against abOrtion is probably only artificial to attract actual conServatives. If one labels him "far-right", i am not sure, how then a national(social)ist could be called - "beyond far-right"? Well, Peronism is arguably national socialism. Peronism is honestly late stage Fascism. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 22, 2023 15:41:06 GMT
29.6 per cent of the electorate have voted as of half an hour ago. There are reports of enormous queues to vote in Spain, where 110,000 Argentines are registered to vote. I’m going to assume that they are not voting for the Peronists, considering that they run away from the Peronist hellhole? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 15:46:29 GMT
29.6 per cent of the electorate have voted as of half an hour ago. There are reports of enormous queues to vote in Spain, where 110,000 Argentines are registered to vote. I’m going to assume that they are not voting for the Peronists, considering that they run away from the Peronist hellhole? Hard to say. Quite a few will have scarpered during the dictatorship and stayed out there. There will always be the usual type who think Peronism is amazing despite all evidence. But on the whole you're probably right, and the average Argentine emigrant in Spain is urban and professional. |
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Post by maxque on Oct 22, 2023 16:07:59 GMT
They will be back - when the Radicals lost the Peronists, the Peronists won again. They probably will, but when and in what form is the question. The Fernández administration has been a total disaster that has tested the resolve of even the most hardcore Kirchnerites. I would assume the endangered faction here is JxC. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 22, 2023 16:19:22 GMT
He is a radical rightLiberal ("Libertarian", "anArcho-capitalist") and will probably try to roll it out in a more dedicated way than Mrs.Truss finally did. His stance against abOrtion is probably only artificial to attract actual conServatives. If one labels him "far-right", i am not sure, how then a national(social)ist could be called - "beyond far-right"? Well, Peronism is arguably national socialism. Exactly this i had in mind... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 16:31:25 GMT
They probably will, but when and in what form is the question. The Fernández administration has been a total disaster that has tested the resolve of even the most hardcore Kirchnerites. I would assume the endangered faction here is JxC. I was talking more about within Peronism, but yes, JxC were stuffed the moment that the primaries gave them Bullrich and not Larreta. Unless the polls are very wrong, she doesn't have a chance and her campaign just looks dreary. As for the K faction. Their best hope is that Massa wins but that they can rein him in via congress and the vice-president (Rossi is little more than a K bagman who owes his rise to the Kirchners and doesn't offer much else). The problem is - how much longer before this all unravels completely, and they all find themselves being chased out like de la Rua ? A fate which would probably happen to Milei as well. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 22, 2023 16:41:16 GMT
I would assume the endangered faction here is JxC. I was talking more about within Peronism, but yes, JxC were stuffed the moment that the primaries gave them Bullrich and not Larreta. Unless the polls are very wrong, she doesn't have a chance and her campaign just looks dreary. As for the K faction. Their best hope is that Massa wins but that they can rein him in via congress and the vice-president (Rossi is little more than a K bagman who owes his rise to the Kirchners and doesn't offer much else). The problem is - how much longer before this all unravels completely, and they all find themselves being chased out like de la Rua ? A fate which would probably happen to Milei as well. Does Massa even have a chance in the 2nd round? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 16:48:57 GMT
I was talking more about within Peronism, but yes, JxC were stuffed the moment that the primaries gave them Bullrich and not Larreta. Unless the polls are very wrong, she doesn't have a chance and her campaign just looks dreary. As for the K faction. Their best hope is that Massa wins but that they can rein him in via congress and the vice-president (Rossi is little more than a K bagman who owes his rise to the Kirchners and doesn't offer much else). The problem is - how much longer before this all unravels completely, and they all find themselves being chased out like de la Rua ? A fate which would probably happen to Milei as well. Does Massa even have a chance in the 2nd round? Probably the most difficult question. Milei isn't going to just get the JxC vote without a splinter, and the smaller Schiaretti and Bregman voters will surely go to Massa. Gut feeling - narrow Massa win. But this has been a mad election! |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 22, 2023 16:52:14 GMT
Does Massa even have a chance in the 2nd round? Probably the most difficult question. Milei isn't going to just get the JxC vote without a splinter, and the smaller Schiaretti and Bregman voters will surely go to Massa. Gut feeling - narrow Massa win. But this has been a mad election! Argentina is beyond f*cked either way, tbh. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2023 17:01:41 GMT
Probably the most difficult question. Milei isn't going to just get the JxC vote without a splinter, and the smaller Schiaretti and Bregman voters will surely go to Massa. Gut feeling - narrow Massa win. But this has been a mad election! Argentina is beyond f*cked either way, tbh. When you lay some of the facts bare, it's grim. - 48 per cent more pesos in circulation on 1st May than 1st January. - The government hiring the French and Maltese mints because it can't print pesos fast enough. - 140 per cent inflation. - Taxes on switching pesos for foreign currency. - Tens of thousands of Argentines giving up and heading for Spain, Chile and Uruguay. - differing exchange rates over the last few years for foreign tourists, soy farmers, winemakers... |
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