cogload
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Post by cogload on Nov 15, 2021 14:46:11 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Nov 15, 2021 16:58:44 GMT
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 15, 2021 22:11:28 GMT
[These were not only "Senate Elections" - perhaps the ThreadTitle could be changed?]
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 15, 2021 22:11:48 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 15, 2021 22:12:37 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Nov 16, 2021 3:43:07 GMT
I think the left (Peronists+Communists) have also lost the majority in the Chamber of Deputies.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 17, 2021 1:06:28 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 22, 2021 19:20:17 GMT
There are anti-Kirchnerist Peronists and Menem groupies in there, but it's a bit of a big tent mish-mash that is vaguely linked by not liking the Kirchners and tolerating Macri. The best-known party is the very much not Peronist UCR, who have their own amusing history of splinters (and indeed were created from one). Actually, Macri must be the first democratically-elected president in a long time who wasn't a Peronist or a member of the UCR. Although that also depends on how democratic you feel Argentina was before Yrigoyen. |
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Post by rcronald on Feb 23, 2023 10:11:36 GMT
We are getting to the point where I’m not even sure that the Peronists are even making it to the 2nd round…
A Milei-Bullrich/Laretta runoff would be interesting….
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 25, 2023 13:52:38 GMT
We are getting to the point where I’m not even sure that the Peronists are even making it to the 2nd round… A Milei-Bullrich/Laretta runoff would be interesting…. Milei is a fascinatingly weird character. He's definitely got upwards trajectory at the moment as well. But yes, watching the Peronists not even make the runoff would be fabulous. That said, the joker in the pack as in years past is Sergio Massa. Does he turn on the Kirchneristas yet again and go for the presidency, yet again? |
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Post by rcronald on Feb 25, 2023 15:55:38 GMT
We are getting to the point where I’m not even sure that the Peronists are even making it to the 2nd round… A Milei-Bullrich/Laretta runoff would be interesting…. Milei is a fascinatingly weird character. He's definitely got upwards trajectory at the moment as well. But yes, watching the Peronists not even make the runoff would be fabulous. That said, the joker in the pack as in years past is Sergio Massa. Does he turn on the Kirchneristas yet again and go for the presidency, yet again? Not sure you can turn on the Kirchneristas when you are literally their Minister of the Economy. And if Massa is somehow the Peronist candidate, then I wouldn’t be shocked to see a Milei-Massa runoff. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 25, 2023 17:11:57 GMT
Milei is a fascinatingly weird character. He's definitely got upwards trajectory at the moment as well. But yes, watching the Peronists not even make the runoff would be fabulous. That said, the joker in the pack as in years past is Sergio Massa. Does he turn on the Kirchneristas yet again and go for the presidency, yet again? Not sure you can turn on the Kirchneristas when you are literally their Minister of the Economy. And if Massa is somehow the Peronist candidate, then I wouldn’t be shocked to see a Milei-Massa runoff. It's Massa though - the Ynys Mon of Argentine politicians. Milei versus Massa... Imagine. Fireworks. |
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Post by rcronald on Feb 25, 2023 17:30:50 GMT
Not sure you can turn on the Kirchneristas when you are literally their Minister of the Economy. And if Massa is somehow the Peronist candidate, then I wouldn’t be shocked to see a Milei-Massa runoff. It's Massa though - the Ynys Mon of Argentine politicians. Milei versus Massa... Imagine. Fireworks. The amount of Cambiemos-Massa and Leftist-Milei voters is gonna be very interesting lol I just want stability vs I just want chaos voters. |
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Post by rcronald on Feb 25, 2023 18:00:54 GMT
It's Massa though - the Ynys Mon of Argentine politicians. Milei versus Massa... Imagine. Fireworks. The amount of Cambiemos-Massa and Leftist-Milei voters is gonna be very interesting lol I just want stability vs I just want chaos voters. My personal preferences are: Bullrich>Milei>Laretta>Massa>Fernandez I’m not usually a chaos voter, but Argentina has been on the decline for 100 years and need a major change…. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 25, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
The amount of Cambiemos-Massa and Leftist-Milei voters is gonna be very interesting lol I just want stability vs I just want chaos voters. My personal preferences are: Bullrich>Milei>Laretta>Massa>Fernandez I’m not usually a chaos voter, but Argentina has been on the decline for 100 years and need a major change…. Agree entirely. A stable Argentina would be an enormous boon for the global economy. Imagine what it would do if we had a stable, secure supplier of commodities on that scale. With an educated population. It's crazy to think that Argentina was wealthier per capita than Austria and Italy until well into the Sixties. What a waste. |
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Post by rcronald on Feb 25, 2023 19:20:07 GMT
My personal preferences are: Bullrich>Milei>Laretta>Massa>Fernandez I’m not usually a chaos voter, but Argentina has been on the decline for 100 years and need a major change…. Agree entirely. A stable Argentina would be an enormous boon for the global economy. Imagine what it would do if we had a stable, secure supplier of commodities on that scale. With an educated population. It's crazy to think that Argentina was wealthier per capita than Austria and Italy until well into the Sixties. What a waste. Argentina needs a Thatcher like figure to reform the economy and (perhaps violently) crackdown on the unions and the Peronists (aka agents of incompetence). |
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Post by European Lefty on Feb 25, 2023 21:33:56 GMT
I saw someone (may even have been on here) describe Argentine governance as "a form of economic chaos theory" which seems to explain a lot
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Post by rcronald on Feb 26, 2023 5:20:31 GMT
I saw someone (may even have been on here) describe Argentine governance as "a form of economic chaos theory" which seems to explain a lot Peronist incompetence theory might be even more fitting. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 26, 2023 17:54:18 GMT
I saw someone (may even have been on here) describe Argentine governance as "a form of economic chaos theory" which seems to explain a lot Peronist incompetence theory might be even more fitting. The problem is that there hasn't been an honest and competent president other than Roque Saenz Pena. And then they have tried to be worse than the ones before him. |
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Post by maxque on Feb 26, 2023 18:10:38 GMT
I saw someone (may even have been on here) describe Argentine governance as "a form of economic chaos theory" which seems to explain a lot Peronist incompetence theory might be even more fitting. The problem with that theory is the country is not run any better when it's run by non-Peronists. |
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