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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 4, 2023 4:49:44 GMT
Gravesham checks both boxes! Abolished as a district and about to be RIPed as a constituency as well, but there's also 'Delyn'. Ah yes, the doublet of Alyn & Dee(side). The strangest name of all. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 4, 2023 10:36:07 GMT
Abolished as a district and about to be RIPed as a constituency as well, but there's also 'Delyn'. Gravesham is, sadly, surviving as a constituency name. Like the equally meaningless Hertsmere and Castle Point. Probably because the councils with those names still survive too. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 4, 2023 4:53:05 GMT
@weld , I can't reply to you on the selections thread but re:names, this section is from the BCS meeting paper:
21. A number of alternative constituency names were suggested including:
a desire to retain historical names such as Banff and Buchan, and Gordon;
Highland Council suggested adding a reference to Skye and Fort William to the respective constituencies;
Inverness, Skye and Wester Ross;
Argyllshire, Bute and Helensburgh;
Moray Constituency Labour Party and the Labour Group on the Moray Council suggested: Moray West, Nairn, and Strathspey; Banffshire, Buchan, and Lower Speyside or Banffshire, Buchan, and Speymouth.
Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party suggested renaming the proposed Aberdeenshire North and Moray East as Banffshire and North Buchan;
Scottish Liberal Democrat Party suggested renaming Inverness-shire and Wester Ross as Inverness-shire, Wester Ross and Skye to reflect the community of Skye allow the community to understand the extent of the constituency.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 5:12:31 GMT
@weld , I can't reply to you on the selections thread but re:names, this section is from the BCS meeting paper: 21. A number of alternative constituency names were suggested including: a desire to retain historical names such as Banff and Buchan, and Gordon; Highland Council suggested adding a reference to Skye and Fort William to the respective constituencies; Inverness, Skye and Wester Ross; Argyllshire, Bute and Helensburgh; Moray Constituency Labour Party and the Labour Group on the Moray Council suggested: Moray West, Nairn, and Strathspey; Banffshire, Buchan, and Lower Speyside or Banffshire, Buchan, and Speymouth. Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party suggested renaming the proposed Aberdeenshire North and Moray East as Banffshire and North Buchan; Scottish Liberal Democrat Party suggested renaming Inverness-shire and Wester Ross as Inverness-shire, Wester Ross and Skye to reflect the community of Skye allow the community to understand the extent of the constituency. Is this the first time the BC doesn't use Banff or Banffshire? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 4, 2023 5:15:55 GMT
@weld , I can't reply to you on the selections thread but re:names, this section is from the BCS meeting paper: 21. A number of alternative constituency names were suggested including: a desire to retain historical names such as Banff and Buchan, and Gordon; Highland Council suggested adding a reference to Skye and Fort William to the respective constituencies; Inverness, Skye and Wester Ross; Argyllshire, Bute and Helensburgh; Moray Constituency Labour Party and the Labour Group on the Moray Council suggested: Moray West, Nairn, and Strathspey; Banffshire, Buchan, and Lower Speyside or Banffshire, Buchan, and Speymouth. Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party suggested renaming the proposed Aberdeenshire North and Moray East as Banffshire and North Buchan; Scottish Liberal Democrat Party suggested renaming Inverness-shire and Wester Ross as Inverness-shire, Wester Ross and Skye to reflect the community of Skye allow the community to understand the extent of the constituency. Is this the first time the BC doesn't use Banff or Banffshire? Certainly since 1950, yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 5:31:27 GMT
Is this the first time the BC doesn't use Banff or Banffshire? Certainly since 1950, yes. There was a Banffshire or Banff & Buchan seat since 1708. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 4, 2023 5:35:02 GMT
Certainly since 1950, yes. There was a Banffshire or Banff & Buchan seat since 1708. Then certainly since 1708! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 5:36:03 GMT
There was a Banffshire or Banff & Buchan seat since 1708. Then certainly since 1708! 315 years of history extinguished in the stroke of a pen! |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 4, 2023 6:09:52 GMT
Then certainly since 1708! 315 years of history extinguished in the stroke of a pen! No room for feelings in the sharp-elbowed world of boundary administration! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 6:23:57 GMT
315 years of history extinguished in the stroke of a pen! No room for feelings in the sharp-elbowed world of boundary administration! They are ruthless and not sentimental by any means! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 26, 2023 11:17:29 GMT
I don't suppose anyone knows if the Polling District electorates on 2 March 2020 were ever published?
Working out the electorate transfers is almost impossible without them, but they were never published. The Boundary Commission claims to have operated on postcode sectors when splitting wards but that doesn't appear to be public information.
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Sept 4, 2023 0:08:25 GMT
Overall I think it is fair to say that the Boundary Commission did a reasonably good job in Scotland.
My core gripes are-
1) Why did the Commission decide to maintain the division of Paisley into two constituencies which confusingly both bear the name 'Paisley and Renfrewshire', when they could have slightly adjusted the boundary of Paisley & Renfrewshire South constituency to cover the entire town of Paisley into one constituency and put the remnants into Renfrewshire North.
2) Why did they rename East Lothian to Lothian East.
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Post by YL on Sept 4, 2023 7:12:46 GMT
Overall I think it is fair to say that the Boundary Commission did a reasonably good job in Scotland. My core gripes are- 1) Why did the Commission decide to maintain the division of Paisley into two constituencies which confusingly both bear the name 'Paisley and Renfrewshire', when they could have slightly adjusted the boundary of Paisley & Renfrewshire South constituency to cover the entire town of Paisley into one constituency and put the remnants into Renfrewshire North. 2) Why did they rename East Lothian to Lothian East. The BCS appears to have a policy that Westminster constituencies and Holyrood constituencies should not share a name unless they are identical. This gives problems in a case like East Lothian where the right name is completely obvious but happens to be the same as that of a Holyrood constituency. In the first phase of the review they proposed “East Lothian Coast” in spite of it containing all the inland parts of the county and in the second phase they proposed “East Lothian & Lammermuirs” although all of the Lammermuirs within it are in East Lothian. The final choice is a rather lame solution to their problem. |
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Sept 4, 2023 7:47:37 GMT
Overall I think it is fair to say that the Boundary Commission did a reasonably good job in Scotland. My core gripes are- 1) Why did the Commission decide to maintain the division of Paisley into two constituencies which confusingly both bear the name 'Paisley and Renfrewshire', when they could have slightly adjusted the boundary of Paisley & Renfrewshire South constituency to cover the entire town of Paisley into one constituency and put the remnants into Renfrewshire North. 2) Why did they rename East Lothian to Lothian East. The BCS appears to have a policy that Westminster constituencies and Holyrood constituencies should not share a name unless they are identical. This gives problems in a case like East Lothian where the right name is completely obvious but happens to be the same as that of a Holyrood constituency. In the first phase of the review they proposed “East Lothian Coast” in spite of it containing all the inland parts of the county and in the second phase they proposed “East Lothian & Lammermuirs” although all of the Lammermuirs within it are in East Lothian. The final choice is a rather lame solution to their problem. If that was the case then why use 'Rutherglen' as the name for both UK and Scottish Parliamentary constituencies and rename 'Glenrothes' to 'Glenrothes and Mid Fife', which sounds nearly identical to the Scottish Parliamentary seat of Mid Fife and Glenrothes. |
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Post by YL on Sept 4, 2023 8:15:32 GMT
The BCS appears to have a policy that Westminster constituencies and Holyrood constituencies should not share a name unless they are identical. This gives problems in a case like East Lothian where the right name is completely obvious but happens to be the same as that of a Holyrood constituency. In the first phase of the review they proposed “East Lothian Coast” in spite of it containing all the inland parts of the county and in the second phase they proposed “East Lothian & Lammermuirs” although all of the Lammermuirs within it are in East Lothian. The final choice is a rather lame solution to their problem. If that was the case then why use 'Rutherglen' as the name for both UK and Scottish Parliamentary constituencies and rename 'Glenrothes' to 'Glenrothes and Mid Fife', which sounds nearly identical to the Scottish Parliamentary seat of Mid Fife and Glenrothes. They rarely apply these policies consistently… (But I’m sure the difference between A & B and B & A is regarded as sufficient.) |
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Sept 4, 2023 8:19:02 GMT
If that was the case then why use 'Rutherglen' as the name for both UK and Scottish Parliamentary constituencies and rename 'Glenrothes' to 'Glenrothes and Mid Fife', which sounds nearly identical to the Scottish Parliamentary seat of Mid Fife and Glenrothes. They rarely apply these policies consistently… (But I’m sure the difference between A & B and B & A is regarded as sufficient.) Haddingtonshire or Golf Coast & Lammermuirs would be preferable to Lothian East in my opinion. |
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Post by piperdave on Sept 4, 2023 18:48:54 GMT
They rarely apply these policies consistently… (But I’m sure the difference between A & B and B & A is regarded as sufficient.) Haddingtonshire or Golf Coast & Lammermuirs would be preferable to Lothian East in my opinion. No imagination! Clearly, it should be Haddington, North Berwick, Dunbar, Tranent, Cockenzie & Prestonpans. |
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Post by afleitch on Dec 12, 2023 18:06:12 GMT
Slipped under the radar. Local enquiries already underway.
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Post by YL on Dec 12, 2023 18:10:21 GMT
Slipped under the radar. Local enquiries already underway. I think you might have meant to post in this thread. |
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Dec 27, 2023 12:45:42 GMT
- Aberdeenshire North and Moray East should be Banff and Buchan Coastal
- Lothian East should be East Lothian
- Moray West, Nairn and Strathspey should be Speyside and Nairn
- Inverness, Skye and Wester Ross-shire should be Ross, Skye and Inverness
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