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Post by aidanthomson on Jul 2, 2023 22:43:48 GMT
Who would have won what on the new map? I guess the non-SNP seats in 2019 would have been: CON (6): West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine; Dumfries & Galloway; Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk; Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale; Gordon & Buchan(?); Aberdeenshire North & Moray East. LAB (1): Edinburgh South LD (5): Orkney & Shetland; North East Fife: Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross; Edinburgh West: Mid Dunbartonshire(?) I'm unsure about Gordon & Buchan and Mid Dunbartonshire. The boundary changes in Mid Dunbartonshire would extend the SNP’s lead slightly, and they would certainly have carried the new Caithness. I suspect NE Fife would have been very close either way. I reckon Mid Dunbartonshire would have been SNP in 2019 by about 2500. Lennoxtown and Milton of Campsie used to be heavily Labour and were probably heavily SNP in 2019; there's not much of a Lib Dem vote there historically. It's the smallest SNP notional lead of any of the seats that were proposed for this area during the review process. I reckon that a narrow majority of the town of Kirkintilloch is in the Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch seat. At least half the ward of Lenzie & South Kirkintilloch is in Lenzie, so, adding the 2,000 from North and East Kirkintilloch and Twechar, there'd be about 8,000 electors in Kirkintilloch who are also in Mid Dunbartonshire. Only about a thousand electors in North and East Kirkintilloch and Twechar are in Twechar, which means that about 9,000 Kirkintilloch electors are in Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch. Given the length of some other constituency names, I'm surprised the BCS didn't go with Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch East. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jul 2, 2023 23:30:29 GMT
The boundary changes in Mid Dunbartonshire would extend the SNP’s lead slightly, and they would certainly have carried the new Caithness. I suspect NE Fife would have been very close either way. I reckon Mid Dunbartonshire would have been SNP in 2019 by about 2500. Lennoxtown and Milton of Campsie used to be heavily Labour and were probably heavily SNP in 2019; there's not much of a Lib Dem vote there historically. It's the smallest SNP notional lead of any of the seats that were proposed for this area during the review process. I reckon that a narrow majority of the town of Kirkintilloch is in the Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch seat. At least half the ward of Lenzie & South Kirkintilloch is in Lenzie, so, adding the 2,000 from North and East Kirkintilloch and Twechar, there'd be about 8,000 electors in Kirkintilloch who are also in Mid Dunbartonshire. Only about a thousand electors in North and East Kirkintilloch and Twechar are in Twechar, which means that about 9,000 Kirkintilloch electors are in Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch. Given the length of some other constituency names, I'm surprised the BCS didn't go with Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch East.Particularly as what most people would think of as Kirkintilloch (including the main shopping streets and the town hall) are in the Mid Dunbartonshire part. It's not a huge issue in the scheme of things but it is mildly irritating. |
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Post by nyx on Jul 2, 2023 23:56:00 GMT
Who would have won what on the new map? I guess the non-SNP seats in 2019 would have been: CON (6): West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine; Dumfries & Galloway; Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk; Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale; Gordon & Buchan(?); Aberdeenshire North & Moray East. LAB (1): Edinburgh South LD (5): Orkney & Shetland; North East Fife: Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross; Edinburgh West: Mid Dunbartonshire(?) I'm unsure about Gordon & Buchan and Mid Dunbartonshire. I really think Caithness, Sutherland, and Easter Ross would go SNP. It only stayed LD marginally in 2019 and the review gives it considerable amounts of voters from a heavily SNP seat. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 3, 2023 3:18:32 GMT
The boundary changes in Mid Dunbartonshire would extend the SNP’s lead slightly, and they would certainly have carried the new Caithness. I suspect NE Fife would have been very close either way. I reckon Mid Dunbartonshire would have been SNP in 2019 by about 2500. Lennoxtown and Milton of Campsie used to be heavily Labour and were probably heavily SNP in 2019; there's not much of a Lib Dem vote there historically. It's the smallest SNP notional lead of any of the seats that were proposed for this area during the review process. I reckon that a narrow majority of the town of Kirkintilloch is in the Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch seat. At least half the ward of Lenzie & South Kirkintilloch is in Lenzie, so, adding the 2,000 from North and East Kirkintilloch and Twechar, there'd be about 8,000 electors in Kirkintilloch who are also in Mid Dunbartonshire. Only about a thousand electors in North and East Kirkintilloch and Twechar are in Twechar, which means that about 9,000 Kirkintilloch electors are in Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch. Given the length of some other constituency names, I'm surprised the BCS didn't go with Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch East. Is the answer here, they done messed up.  |
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Post by YL on Jul 3, 2023 6:39:00 GMT
I wonder if they chose the names for the previous versions of the seats (where Kirkintilloch was unsplit and with Cumbernauld, and the Stepps/Chryston area was in the seat with Bearsden and Milngavie) and changed the boundaries at the last minute and forgot to change the names again. Not that it really makes any sense for Stepps and Chryston to be in "Mid Dunbartonshire".
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 3, 2023 7:17:27 GMT
I'd be happy if this forum uncovered that.
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Post by nyx on Jul 3, 2023 8:57:51 GMT
I wonder if they chose the names for the previous versions of the seats (where Kirkintilloch was unsplit and with Cumbernauld, and the Stepps/Chryston area was in the seat with Bearsden and Milngavie) and changed the boundaries at the last minute and forgot to change the names again. Not that it really makes any sense for Stepps and Chryston to be in "Mid Dunbartonshire". That would make sense albeit I can't see any clear signs in the report pointing at that. But yes, Kirkintilloch being entirely in another constituency east of East Dunbartonshire would be a sensible reason to rename East Dunbartonshire to Mid Dunbartonshire. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 3, 2023 9:04:25 GMT
You (potentially) heard it here first: at least two constituency names have been chosen by administrative error. Someone email The Scotsman!
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Post by mattb on Jul 3, 2023 9:31:25 GMT
If (as seems likely) it really is administrative error, there must still be the chance to correct it? (but presumably they would have to be willing to admit it was an oversight).
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Post by nyx on Jul 3, 2023 10:17:30 GMT
I wonder if there's any way to just ask them "why did you decide to change Kirkintilloch East to Kirkintilloch in the constituency name", or whether nobody's manning any of the communications channels any more.
Keeping the current name of Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East would have been fine...
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Post by islington on Jul 3, 2023 10:33:01 GMT
If (as seems likely) it really is administrative error, there must still be the chance to correct it? (but presumably they would have to be willing to admit it was an oversight). Is it really administrative error?
In England we have a seat of Chatham & Aylesford that omits Chatham town centre and at least half of Aylesford.
Historically we have had seats of Liverpool Walton (the 1885-1918 version), Liverpool West Derby (also 1885-1918) and Glasgow Partick (1918-1950) that did not include the centre of the area they were named after. (Doubtless many others in this category.) So there are precedents for this kind of inept naming.
I agree that E Duns would have been a much better name than Mid Duns, and given the chosen boundary I'd probably have called the other seat simply Cumbernauld.
But I doubt whether it's an oversight.
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Post by mattb on Jul 3, 2023 10:52:49 GMT
If (as seems likely) it really is administrative error, there must still be the chance to correct it? (but presumably they would have to be willing to admit it was an oversight). Is it really administrative error? In England we have a seat of Chatham & Aylesford that omits Chatham town centre and at least half of Aylesford. Historically we have had seats of Liverpool Walton (the 1885-1918 version), Liverpool West Derby (also 1885-1918) and Glasgow Partick (1918-1950) that did not include the centre of the area they were named after. (Doubtless many others in this category.) So there are precedents for this kind of inept naming. I agree that E Duns would have been a much better name than Mid Duns, and given the chosen boundary I'd probably have called the other seat simply Cumbernauld. But I doubt whether it's an oversight.
You may be right. But it is odd in the extreme to make the changes now proposed from the existing two constituency names, given the boundaries now proposed. Why change from E.Duns when the only change is to slightly increase the proportion of the local authority of the same name included in the proposed seat? |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 3, 2023 11:06:55 GMT
I wonder if there's any way to just ask them "why did you decide to change Kirkintilloch East to Kirkintilloch in the constituency name", or whether nobody's manning any of the communications channels any more. Keeping the current name of Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East would have been fine... If they have changed the name from “Kirkintilloch East” to “Kirkintilloch”, we shouldn’t be complaining about the shortening of constituency names. |
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Post by nyx on Jul 3, 2023 11:41:12 GMT
I wonder if there's any way to just ask them "why did you decide to change Kirkintilloch East to Kirkintilloch in the constituency name", or whether nobody's manning any of the communications channels any more. Keeping the current name of Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East would have been fine... If they have changed the name from “Kirkintilloch East” to “Kirkintilloch”, we shouldn’t be complaining about the shortening of constituency names. Personally if it were down to me I would have selected simply "Cumbernauld". But going along with the Commission's general philosophy of having longer names, they could have done so without choosing one that's just outright incorrect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2023 11:44:58 GMT
Still not as bad as some local authority names - Wychavon (not a thing) and St Edmundsbury (an entirely transparent and unimaginative mangling of Bury St Edmunds) spring to mind
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 3, 2023 13:14:02 GMT
Still not as bad as some local authority names - Wychavon (not a thing) and St Edmundsbury (an entirely transparent and unimaginative mangling of Bury St Edmunds) spring to mind St Edmundsbury has of course been abolished in favour of the prosaic West Suffolk. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 3, 2023 17:45:15 GMT
Still not as bad as some local authority names - Wychavon (not a thing) and St Edmundsbury (an entirely transparent and unimaginative mangling of Bury St Edmunds) spring to mind Gravesham checks both boxes! |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 3, 2023 17:51:16 GMT
Still not as bad as some local authority names - Wychavon (not a thing) and St Edmundsbury (an entirely transparent and unimaginative mangling of Bury St Edmunds) spring to mind Gravesham checks both boxes! Abolished as a district and about to be RIPed as a constituency as well, but there's also 'Delyn'. |
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Post by islington on Jul 3, 2023 22:27:26 GMT
Gravesham checks both boxes! Abolished as a district and about to be RIPed as a constituency as well, but there's also 'Delyn'. Gravesham is, sadly, surviving as a constituency name. Like the equally meaningless Hertsmere and Castle Point. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 4, 2023 3:51:55 GMT
Still not as bad as some local authority names - Wychavon (not a thing) and St Edmundsbury (an entirely transparent and unimaginative mangling of Bury St Edmunds) spring to mind The bishopric is St Edmundsbury & Ipswich (and its Cathedral is called St Edmundsbury Cathedral) so it's the only current constituency named after a diocese and/or a cathedral. |
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