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Post by MacShimidh on Jun 28, 2023 13:28:54 GMT
"Inverness-shire and Wester Ross" renamed to "Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire" Christ Almighty… Bring back Highland Central! |
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Post by xenon on Jun 28, 2023 13:37:14 GMT
Some of the naming decisions in the Tayside/Forth Valley/Fife area are really strange – the commission seemed to have fixed most of the stupid-sounding ones from the revised proposals, but at the same time binned all the sensible ones and made them far worse.
A contender for most pointless change must be swapping Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath around. The boundary has changed slightly in a place not particularly near either of the towns, but that seems to be enough to rename the constituency so that a town four times smaller than the other goes first.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 28, 2023 14:56:48 GMT
If anybody was looking for a reason to support independence right now, before the next UK general election, look no further.
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 28, 2023 16:54:10 GMT
If anybody was looking for a reason to support independence right now, before the next UK general election, look no further. Unfortunately, the Scottish Boundary Commission has absolutely nothing to do with the UK government... |
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Post by piperdave on Jun 28, 2023 17:06:16 GMT
If anybody was looking for a reason to support independence right now, before the next UK general election, look no further. Unfortunately, the Scottish Boundary Commission has absolutely nothing to do with the UK government... Apart from some of the Commissioners being appointed by the Secretary of State for Scotland. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 28, 2023 17:07:55 GMT
If anybody was looking for a reason to support independence right now, before the next UK general election, look no further. Unfortunately, the Scottish Boundary Commission has absolutely nothing to do with the UK government... I never claimed it did (beyond the unsuited legal framework they have to work with, of course, which is an English crime.) But you'll be spared from having to read these brainmeltingly bad names, as indeed these borders won't ever be used for anything! Joking aside I do get the feeling the Scottish Boundary Commission treats Westminster constituencies somewhat stepfatherly and thinks Holyrood constituencies more important. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 28, 2023 17:17:33 GMT
Unfortunately, the Scottish Boundary Commission has absolutely nothing to do with the UK government... I never claimed it did (beyond the unsuited legal framework they have to work with, of course, which is an English crime.) But you'll be spared from having to read these brainmeltingly bad names, as indeed these borders won't ever be used for anything! Joking aside I do get the feeling the Scottish Boundary Commission treats Westminster constituencies somewhat stepfatherly and thinks Holyrood constituencies more important. Quite frankly, the names they've come up with for Westminster are a walk in the park compared to the nightmares promulgated for Holyrood (Highland North anyone...). Overall, I think the Scottish commission is more idiosyncratic than the others. They love using weird district names that rarely exist in any meaningful form in real life anymore and they make much more use of geographical features rather than settlements compared to England and Wales in particular. |
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Post by aidanthomson on Jun 28, 2023 18:48:01 GMT
Also, 'Clackmannanshire & Forth Valley', in the revised proposals, has transmogrified into 'Alloa and Grangemouth' and has lost its bits of Perth & Kinross. It isn't really my part of the world but I'm guessing this must be an improvement. It's a big improvement. Glad to see that YL 's suggested change for Stirling was adopted, as was my suggestion for 'Dunfermline and Dollar'; also glad that my upthread suggestion that Grangemouth should be linked with Clacks has made it in the final proposals. |
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Post by YL on Jun 29, 2023 6:39:15 GMT
"Inverness-shire and Wester Ross" renamed to "Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire" Christ Almighty… Bring back Highland Central! Why "West Ross-shire" rather than "Wester Ross"? They've kept "Easter Ross" in the name of the neighbouring constituency. I notice that East Lothian has ended up as "Lothian East". Anything but what the area (and the not-coterminous Scottish Parliament constituency) is actually called! |
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Post by YL on Jun 29, 2023 7:06:52 GMT
The Scottish proposals wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have such ridiculous names, particularly in the North East. Is it the two names containing "Moray" you're objecting to here? |
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Post by islington on Jun 30, 2023 16:17:22 GMT
Can anyone better acquainted with the area than I confirm my impression that at least half of the town of Kirkintilloch is in the Mid Duns seat rather than in Cumbernauld & Kirkintilloch?
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Post by mattb on Jun 30, 2023 16:28:34 GMT
Can anyone better acquainted with the area than I confirm my impression that at least half of the town of Kirkintilloch is in the Mid Duns seat rather than in Cumbernauld & Kirkintilloch? Seems to be, yes. (as also today). And why suddenly the anodyne "mid-Duns" instead of the rather pretty "Bearsden & Campsie Fells" from the earlier stage? |
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Post by YL on Jun 30, 2023 16:41:58 GMT
Can anyone better acquainted with the area than I confirm my impression that at least half of the town of Kirkintilloch is in the Mid Duns seat rather than in Cumbernauld & Kirkintilloch? Seems to be, yes. (as also today). And why suddenly the anodyne "mid-Duns" instead of the rather pretty "Bearsden & Campsie Fells" from the earlier stage? As I said: "Bearsden & Campsie Fells" only contains part of the Campsie Fells (the bit in East Dunbartonshire) and it contains a sizable lowland area which is nowhere near either them or Bearsden, stretching south-east to Chryston and Stepps. I suggested Bearsden & Chryston, but the final proposals don't include that south-eastern extension to Chryston, as they've gone back to the split of Kirkintilloch. I don't know what I'd have suggested for this version, maybe Bearsden & Bishopbriggs or Bearsden & Kirkintilloch West. |
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Post by carolus on Jun 30, 2023 19:00:25 GMT
What makes this version more "Mid" than either the council or the current seat are "East"?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 30, 2023 19:59:51 GMT
"Glasgow West" has never been used before.
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Post by YL on Jun 30, 2023 20:06:11 GMT
What makes this version more "Mid" than either the council or the current seat are "East"? No idea! Because of the name change I assumed it contained a bit of West Dunbartonshire, but I see it doesn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 7:12:32 GMT
Who would have won what on the new map?
I guess the non-SNP seats in 2019 would have been:
CON (6): West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine; Dumfries & Galloway; Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk; Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale; Gordon & Buchan(?); Aberdeenshire North & Moray East.
LAB (1): Edinburgh South
LD (5): Orkney & Shetland; North East Fife: Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross; Edinburgh West: Mid Dunbartonshire(?)
I'm unsure about Gordon & Buchan and Mid Dunbartonshire.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 2, 2023 7:49:27 GMT
What makes this version more "Mid" than either the council or the current seat are "East"? No idea! Because of the name change I assumed it contained a bit of West Dunbartonshire, but I see it doesn't. So little of the council area is excluded from the seat, it's weird that they didn't just stick with the local authority name rather than going for "Mid-". Is it too late for me to suggest "Milngavie, Campsie, and Kirkintilloch South"? 😏 |
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Post by piperdave on Jul 2, 2023 8:38:59 GMT
What makes this version more "Mid" than either the council or the current seat are "East"? Good question. I also wondered why it wasn't Central. But historically that was Clydebank & Milngavie's previous name. Maybe it's Mid because you haven't got everything in the very East. |
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Post by iain on Jul 2, 2023 9:32:20 GMT
Who would have won what on the new map? I guess the non-SNP seats in 2019 would have been: CON (6): West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine; Dumfries & Galloway; Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk; Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale; Gordon & Buchan(?); Aberdeenshire North & Moray East. LAB (1): Edinburgh South LD (5): Orkney & Shetland; North East Fife: Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross; Edinburgh West: Mid Dunbartonshire(?) I'm unsure about Gordon & Buchan and Mid Dunbartonshire. The boundary changes in Mid Dunbartonshire would extend the SNP’s lead slightly, and they would certainly have carried the new Caithness. I suspect NE Fife would have been very close either way. |
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