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Post by eurofighter! on Mar 17, 2021 23:35:21 GMT
The coalition will be expanded so that they can pass the Senate too. But with minor parties bargaining is possible. Rutte loves making deals with small parties and the Left. His party members hate it, but he always gets his way. Any ideas on who he will go with? Is he a big europhile? If so, Volt could be about to fast passed into major politics. Otherwise the CU could be back in.
It will depend on the legislation. Last time D66 wanted GL in so they didn't become the sacrificial lamb. This time they may ask PvdA, which given they are both basically vehicles for Kaag-like figures to enter politics, I think PvdA will accept.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 17, 2021 23:40:28 GMT
VVD losing around Amsterdam, while gaining in the peripheries.
Painful results for CDA and SP, especially in their ex-fortresses.
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Post by iain on Mar 17, 2021 23:51:33 GMT
Oh to live in a country where liberal parties come first AND second!  Congrats to Rutte. He's very much my kind of liberal - patriotic and realistic liberalism that gets results and keeps the loons locked out. We could learn a lot from him. I pretty much agree, but good to distinguish between Rutte and the VVD. The party increasingly resembles the Tories (albeit moderate by UK standards), whereas Rutte is a genuine, though right-wing, liberal. |
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Post by connor on Mar 17, 2021 23:54:15 GMT
I do like Rutte despite his politics. He seems like a fairly normal man with a very down-to-earth approach to the job. Something to really respect.
Does look like a bad night for left wing parties. Curious if any of them did poorly in the debates or just the wrong politics for the wrong time.
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 18, 2021 0:20:22 GMT
Oh to live in a country where liberal parties come first AND second! Congrats to Rutte. He's very much my kind of liberal - patriotic and realistic liberalism that gets results and keeps the loons locked out. We could learn a lot from him. Netherlands is the new Estonia! đ |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 18, 2021 0:35:23 GMT
VVD losing around Amsterdam, while gaining in the peripheries. ...albeit nothing new:  |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 18, 2021 9:26:55 GMT
Oh to live in a country where liberal parties come first AND second! Congrats to Rutte. He's very much my kind of liberal - patriotic and realistic liberalism that gets results and keeps the loons locked out. We could learn a lot from him. That's a relief. For me he sums up everything I dislike about right wing liberalism, with none of the positives of a liberal outlook (extreme risk aversion on Covid, for example). In many ways he and his party are much more of a clearly right wing economically liberal oarty -most of them would align more with the Cameron and Osborne brand of Conservatism. |
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Post by mboy on Mar 18, 2021 9:36:50 GMT
I think he's more of a Clegg (or vice-versa), but I'd say that with his party he's probably more like the Coalition overall.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Mar 18, 2021 9:43:35 GMT
The Netherlands is stuck in a Rutte.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 18, 2021 11:48:39 GMT
Oh to live in a country where liberal parties come first AND second! Congrats to Rutte. He's very much my kind of liberal - patriotic and realistic liberalism that gets results and keeps the loons locked out. We could learn a lot from him. That's a relief. For me he sums up everything I dislike about right wing liberalism, with none of the positives of a liberal outlook (extreme risk aversion on Covid, for example). In many ways he and his party are much more of a clearly right wing economically liberal oarty -most of them would align more with the Cameron and Osborne brand of Conservatism. He himself began rather on the party's left wing. But You are certainly right on VVD - for example a red-blue coalition PvdA&VVD was (contrary to Belgium) unthinkable before CDA's refusal to continue in government made the PurpleCoalition necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 11:59:15 GMT
So no party of the left won any municipality and they only achieved two second places |
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Post by andrea on Mar 18, 2021 13:08:54 GMT
With 344 municipalities reported out of 356
People's Party for Freedom and Democracy - VVD 22.1% (35 seats) (+2 seats)
D66 14.8% (24) (+5)
Party for Freedom - PVV 10.9% (17) -3)
Christian Democratic Appeal - CDA 9.8% (15) (-4)
Socialist Party -SP 6% (9) (-5)
Labour Party - PvdA 5.7% (9) (=)
Forum for Democracy - FVD 5.1% (8) (+6)
Greens 5% (7) (-7)
Party for the Animals - PvdD 3.8% (6) (+1)
Christian Union - CU 3.5% (5) (=)
JA21 (splinters from FvD) 2.3% (4) (+4)
VOLT 2.3% (3) (+3)
Reformed Political Party - SGP 2.2% (3) (=)
Denk (Turkish) 1.8% (2) (-1)
50Plus (pensioners party) 1.0% (1) (-3)
FarmerâCitizen Movement - BBB 1.0% (1) (+1)
BIJ1 (mboy would probably call them far left wokists) 0.7% (1) (+1)
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 18, 2021 13:09:22 GMT
It was almost taken for granted that PvdA would improve somewhat on their dismal result last time - so why didn't it happen?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 18, 2021 14:32:26 GMT
It was almost taken for granted that PvdA would improve somewhat on their dismal result last time - so why didn't it happen? Before Corona they were indeed polled at 15-20 seats. But even without the virus a final flow to the party perceived as main left contender might have occurred. |
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Post by eurofighter! on Mar 18, 2021 15:09:22 GMT
It was almost taken for granted that PvdA would improve somewhat on their dismal result last time - so why didn't it happen?
Like with CDA having to change candidate at the proverbial last minute didn't help.
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Post by greenhert on Mar 18, 2021 22:52:48 GMT
So no party of the left won any municipality and they only achieved two second places Specifically they got three second places: in Eemsdelta and Pekela by the SP, and in Wageningen by GroenLinks. In the municipalities where GL finished first in 2017, they finished third in all such cases in 2021. |
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Post by andrea on Mar 18, 2021 22:53:27 GMT
With 344 municipalities reported out of 356 People's Party for Freedom and Democracy - VVD 22.1% (35 seats) (+2 seats) D66 14.8% (24) (+5) Party for Freedom - PVV 10.9% (17) -3) Christian Democratic Appeal - CDA 9.8% (15) (-4) Socialist Party -SP 6% (9) (-5) Labour Party - PvdA 5.7% (9) (=) Forum for Democracy - FVD 5.1% (8) (+6) Greens 5% (7) (-7) Party for the Animals - PvdD 3.8% (6) (+1) Christian Union - CU 3.5% (5) (=) JA21 (splinters from FvD) 2.3% (4) (+4) VOLT 2.3% (3) (+3) Reformed Political Party - SGP 2.2% (3) (=) Denk (Turkish) 1.8% (2) (-1) 50Plus (pensioners party) 1.0% (1) (-3) FarmerâCitizen Movement - BBB 1.0% (1) (+1) BIJ1 (mboy would probably call them far left wokists) 0.7% (1) (+1) Update with 355 municipalities out of 356. Changes are D66 goes down to 23 seats Greens up to 8 seats JA21 goes down to 3 seats Denk goes up to 3 seats |
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 19, 2021 2:48:40 GMT
With 344 municipalities reported out of 356 People's Party for Freedom and Democracy - VVD 22.1% (35 seats) (+2 seats) D66 14.8% (24) (+5) Party for Freedom - PVV 10.9% (17) -3) Christian Democratic Appeal - CDA 9.8% (15) (-4) Socialist Party -SP 6% (9) (-5) Labour Party - PvdA 5.7% (9) (=) Forum for Democracy - FVD 5.1% (8) (+6) Greens 5% (7) (-7) Party for the Animals - PvdD 3.8% (6) (+1) Christian Union - CU 3.5% (5) (=) JA21 (splinters from FvD) 2.3% (4) (+4) VOLT 2.3% (3) (+3) Reformed Political Party - SGP 2.2% (3) (=) Denk (Turkish) 1.8% (2) (-1) 50Plus (pensioners party) 1.0% (1) (-3) FarmerâCitizen Movement - BBB 1.0% (1) (+1) BIJ1 (mboy would probably call them far left wokists) 0.7% (1) (+1) Update with 355 municipalities out of 356. Changes are D66 goes down to 23 seats Greens up to 8 seats JA21 goes down to 3 seats Denk goes up to 3 seats Where is still to declare? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 8:04:13 GMT
Update with 355 municipalities out of 356. Changes are D66 goes down to 23 seats Greens up to 8 seats JA21 goes down to 3 seats Denk goes up to 3 seats Where is still to declare? Leiden was the last one I think, though its result is now in |
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