Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 2, 2013 21:27:29 GMT
the 'what if' if the Tories had picked a better candidate would they have won ? All she had around her was negative publicity And if her reaction to that had been to stand as an 'independent true conservative' ? (Yes, I know she couldn't have put that on her ballot paper) It would have increased the chances of the Tories coming second. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 3, 2013 2:31:28 GMT
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 3, 2013 14:42:39 GMT
FWIW, Eastleigh has now had 3 consecutive LD MPs, which is a record that can only be matched by Orkney & Shetland (although a case could possibly be made for parts of Michael Moore's seat).
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 3, 2013 16:28:43 GMT
He was in Wetherspoons when we went in for breakfast on polling day. Tapping furiously away on his laptop probably planning the first stages of Wessex nationhood... |
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Post by tricky on Mar 3, 2013 17:04:37 GMT
I.m pretty tired at the mo but will probably comment on here later. I think you should be sufficiently rested by now  You'd be surprised! I think we have shown that rumours of Lib Dem demise have been greatly exaggerated. UKIP can now pick up protest votes but they also have a very hard ceiling. Loads of their voters were freely admitting they would never vote UKIP again. In the past we have benefitted from protest votes but we had something to add them to. UKIP really doesn't. Tory campaign was completely inept from start to finish, what surprised me was that so was the Labour campaign. The voters generally are pretty angry at all of us. That's my first lot of comments. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 3, 2013 18:45:01 GMT
This was only the fifth LD/Liberal/Alliance hold since 1950.
The others were Cheadle (2005), Winchester (1997), Truro (1987), Montgomeryshire (1962).
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 3, 2013 19:43:01 GMT
I think you should be sufficiently rested by now You'd be surprised! I think we have shown that rumours of Lib Dem demise have been greatly exaggerated. UKIP can now pick up protest votes but they also have a very hard ceiling. Loads of their voters were freely admitting they would never vote UKIP again. In the past we have benefitted from protest votes but we had something to add them to. UKIP really doesn't. Tory campaign was completely inept from start to finish, what surprised me was that so was the Labour campaign. The voters generally are pretty angry at all of us. That's my first lot of comments. I hope the next installment proves worth waiting for  |
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tricky
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Post by tricky on Mar 3, 2013 20:58:28 GMT
You'd be surprised! I think we have shown that rumours of Lib Dem demise have been greatly exaggerated. UKIP can now pick up protest votes but they also have a very hard ceiling. Loads of their voters were freely admitting they would never vote UKIP again. In the past we have benefitted from protest votes but we had something to add them to. UKIP really doesn't. Tory campaign was completely inept from start to finish, what surprised me was that so was the Labour campaign. The voters generally are pretty angry at all of us. That's my first lot of comments. I hope the next installment proves worth waiting for I'm thinking! Problem 1: I was on the data team so there is a limit to what I am going to say. Problem 2: I am properly still knackered. Problem 3: I should probably read the pages of this thread so I can reinforce or denounce what has already been discussed and there are a lot of pages Problem 4: Problem 2 is bad enough that even typing this has worn me out a bit. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 4, 2013 12:30:08 GMT
Tricky,
Go and have a proper rest!
You need at least a couple of weeks before you can even think of a rational response to a byelection where you've been closely involved.
(Well, that was my experience after C&N)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 12:48:23 GMT
Yeah, Tricky, have a proper rest.
BREAKING NEWS:
Greater Manchester election results found to be "entirely invalid". Mass byelections to be held in over twenty seats.....
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Post by erlend on Mar 4, 2013 16:06:17 GMT
Yeah, Tricky, have a proper rest. BREAKING NEWS: Greater Manchester election results found to be "entirely invalid". Mass byelections to be held in over twenty seats..... I think Tricky will be found not guilty of homicide on grounds of provocation! |
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Post by mboy on Mar 4, 2013 18:14:08 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 4, 2013 19:00:07 GMT
His books get Waterstones promotions anyway. And there are more effective ways to increase sales than spending three weeks on a by-election campaign. Don't be an idiot. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 4, 2013 19:57:56 GMT
Though, taking a Machiavellian view, having a candidate on whom a bad result could be conveniently blamed might be a "good" candidate. Better that than having a genuinely "good" candidate's political career halted prematurely.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 4, 2013 20:30:06 GMT
Though, taking a Machiavellian view, having a candidate on whom a bad result could be conveniently blamed might be a "good" candidate. Better that than having a genuinely "good" candidate's political career halted prematurely. On the other hand, would a genuinely "good" candidate have wanted to put themselves forward for Eastleigh? It was always going to be a tough campaign with a limited upside, with the best outcome being an increased chance of selection in a more winnable seat - which wouldn't be something a "good" candidate should be expected to struggle at anyway. |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 4, 2013 22:30:03 GMT
Though, taking a Machiavellian view, having a candidate on whom a bad result could be conveniently blamed might be a "good" candidate. Better that than having a genuinely "good" candidate's political career halted prematurely. On the other hand, would a genuinely "good" candidate have wanted to put themselves forward for Eastleigh? It was always going to be a tough campaign with a limited upside, with the best outcome being an increased chance of selection in a more winnable seat - which wouldn't be something a "good" candidate should be expected to struggle at anyway. A bit like, I don't know, say Beaconsfield in 1982  |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 4, 2013 22:33:12 GMT
BTW I note that in her weekend Mirror column, Fiona Phillips confirmed that Labour had sounded her out about standing. Interesting....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 22:36:19 GMT
BTW I note that in her weekend Mirror column, Fiona Phillips confirmed that Labour had sounded her out about standing.....  |
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