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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 22:03:38 GMT
the 'what if' if the Tories had picked a better candidate would they have won ? All she had around her was negative publicity
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 22:10:23 GMT
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Post by andrea on Mar 1, 2013 22:12:16 GMT
I felt really sorry for MH after seeing the video of her being taken out of the counting hall. Yes, it was uncomfortable viewing.
The excuse/reason Labour usually give when they leave out a local fave from a by-election shortlist is "people who can be perfectly reasonable candidates in a GE can be trashed under the pressure and media attention of a by-election. If we exclude them, we are also doing them a favour. Otherwise they risk to suffer personal humiliation or having their political career cut off early because of a poor showing"
Well, sometimes it is really true.
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Post by Pimpernal on Mar 1, 2013 22:15:25 GMT
the 'what if' if the Tories had picked a better candidate would they have won ? All she had around her was negative publicity What if you manage to go one day without spouting gobsh1te garbage? |
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Post by Pimpernal on Mar 1, 2013 22:17:00 GMT
I felt really sorry for MH after seeing the video of her being taken out of the counting hall. Yes, it was uncomfortable viewing. The excuse/reason Labour usually give when they leave out a local fave from a by-election shortlist is "people who can be perfectly reasonable candidates in a GE can be trashed under the pressure and media attention of a by-election. If we exclude them, we are also doing them a favour. Otherwise they risk to suffer personal humiliation or having their political career cut off early because of a poor showing" Well, sometimes it is really true. I think the press pack acted disgracefully in this instance and there really should be grounds for some kind of official complaint. I'd suggest that scene will have done more to discourage female politcal activism than the Rennards scandal. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 1, 2013 22:17:26 GMT
The blokes a fucking idiot he may be a bit eccentric but he had that spot on about her missing. I was referring to Tim Farron |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 22:17:51 GMT
ah tut tut there again we don't have Neil Hamilton making calls in our party or being a rep for the party on QT
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 1, 2013 22:38:08 GMT
Mr A Wells of Another Place just appeared on Newsnight talking about the by-election.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 22:38:53 GMT
I felt really sorry for MH after seeing the video of her being taken out of the counting hall. Yes, it was uncomfortable viewing. The excuse/reason Labour usually give when they leave out a local fave from a by-election shortlist is "people who can be perfectly reasonable candidates in a GE can be trashed under the pressure and media attention of a by-election. If we exclude them, we are also doing them a favour. Otherwise they risk to suffer personal humiliation or having their political career cut off early because of a poor showing" Well, sometimes it is really true. I think the press pack acted disgracefully in this instance and there really should be grounds for some kind of official complaint. I'd suggest that scene will have done more to discourage female politcal activism than the Rennards scandal. they would have done the same to a failed tory male candidate as well or refused during the whole campaign to be interviewed. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 1, 2013 23:17:21 GMT
Sandy Walkington (who contested St Albans at the last election for the LDs) on UKIP: sandy4stalbans.org/blog/2013/03/01/the-morning-after-the-night-before/"The UKIP surge is a phenomenon. They are not all unpleasant racists (though I met a couple of those when knocking on doors yesterday). If the traditional parties don’t find the right language with which to speak to people, we cannot be surprised if something else fills the vacuum." As ever, Walkington talks bollocks. Has he not got a post box to not paint? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 2, 2013 0:35:01 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 2, 2013 0:48:42 GMT
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 2, 2013 1:11:51 GMT
I felt really sorry for MH after seeing the video of her being taken out of the counting hall. Yes, it was uncomfortable viewing. The excuse/reason Labour usually give when they leave out a local fave from a by-election shortlist is "people who can be perfectly reasonable candidates in a GE can be trashed under the pressure and media attention of a by-election. If we exclude them, we are also doing them a favour. Otherwise they risk to suffer personal humiliation or having their political career cut off early because of a poor showing" Well, sometimes it is really true. I think the press pack acted disgracefully in this instance and there really should be grounds for some kind of official complaint. I'd suggest that scene will have done more to discourage female politcal activism than the Rennards scandal. This will be a good thing if the women in question are incapable of answering simple questions. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 2, 2013 2:30:54 GMT
Amongst the minor parties, I note that TUSC had their now customary comedy score - only more so  I follow some TUSC supporters on Twitter. It's brilliant watching them ramp up their chances (such as in the recent Wirral council by-elections) and then go stone-cold quiet for a few days after polling day. I'm slightly annoyed with TUSC because they didn't manage to have a candidate in the by-election in Croydon North, after they had announced they were going to. If there had been a TUSC candidate, they would probably have split a few votes away from the Communist Party, and I would probably have come 9th out of 13 candidates instead of 10th out of 12. I had been expecting to come 9th and was disappointed at coming only 10th. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 2, 2013 2:41:27 GMT
If the Lib Dems go down 14.4% and the Conservatives go down 13.9%, how does that work? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 2, 2013 9:18:47 GMT
I.m pretty tired at the mo but will probably comment on here later. I think you should be sufficiently rested by now  |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 2, 2013 11:04:13 GMT
With just 10% of the vote overall, did you expect otherwise??  No but with Labour according to some on here at least supposedly coasting to a landslide victory in 2015, there certainly should be. Those that should be are coloured purple instead, but some people seem to think UKIP is only the Tories' problem  Yes, UKIP took votes from us as well (just as they did in Rotherham) But think back to three decades ago - the SDP often hurt the Tories electorally, but were still an existensial threat to Labour by splitting the centre-left vote. It is just possible now that the boot is on the other foot  |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 2, 2013 14:43:06 GMT
Maria Hutchings was woeful and spineless. Possibly the only thing that the Conservatives need to learn from this debacle is not to select useless candidates. Yeah but look how many times parties come derailed when they decline to reselect their last general election candidate for a by-election. Imagine the shit if Maria had applied and was rejected. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 2, 2013 21:11:47 GMT
This has had quite a profound effect on me. I mentioned way back that I spent quite some time in a alcoholic friendly social environment with Mrs Hutchings at a wedding. I've said how I found her engaging, down to earth, interesting and absolutely non-career politician. I've also said how I disagree with some of what she has said, which taken in any context, was not endearing. She's not a friend - just purely someone I met through chance. The conduit friends aren't even political. I can understand entirely why the Tories grabbed and nurtured her. I can only speak from probably a 4 hour encounter, but despite a few of her utterances, I find it hard to believe she is a nasty human being. She was A listed, and given a prime constituency. She will have encountered little national attention until freak determines she will be the eye of the storm for 3 weeks. She has proved not to be a slick, on message politician, so was obviously told in no uncertain terms not to say anything if found 3rd. This has gone viral. I can only imagine what she is going through. I don't agree with her, and didn't want her to win. If, however, we want normal folk with experience of the world but not blowtorch hardened hacks to stand for Parliament, I cannot imagine a worse advertisement. Got to admit I felt some sympathy for her after seeing that video I felt a deal of sympathy for Tamsin Dunwoody at the Crewe & N count. She had not only lost a Labour seat, but lost her mother's seat. How she managed to make a speech, and then face multiple interviews, I'm not sure, but she did. Most impressive. And very different from the reaction of the Conservative candidate in Eastleigh. But let's face it - if you can't cope with losing elections, then don't contest them. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 2, 2013 21:18:27 GMT
the 'what if' if the Tories had picked a better candidate would they have won ? All she had around her was negative publicity And if her reaction to that had been to stand as an 'independent true conservative' ? (Yes, I know she couldn't have put that on her ballot paper) |
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