right
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Post by right on Oct 28, 2021 11:24:24 GMT
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 28, 2021 12:23:11 GMT
I suppose the obvious problem with the Rule change is in a constituency that’s not Labour held, but more competitive, and Labour aren’t in control of calling the by-election; an unscrupulous defending Party might be minded to trigger the date before Labour have a candidate in-situ. The new process does seem more drawn out, specifying that the five Executive Committee members will be appointed by the Executive Committee, so that’s probably a week minimum - given the seven day notice period stipulated in order to hold an EC meeting. Some ECs might also be hard pressed to find five delegates - our EC is only nine strong, and prior to 2019’s election, six applied for selection, thereby disqualifying themselves from the shortlisting panel. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 28, 2021 13:26:19 GMT
I suppose the obvious problem with the Rule change is in a constituency that’s not Labour held, but more competitive, and Labour aren’t in control of calling the by-election; an unscrupulous defending Party might be minded to trigger the date before Labour have a candidate in-situ. An unscrupulous attacking party might do the same. If I was a Tory whip I'd be minded to call this as soon as a vacancy arose. Obviously that would open up a tit-for-tat, though. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 28, 2021 21:46:14 GMT
I suppose the obvious problem with the Rule change is in a constituency that’s not Labour held, but more competitive, and Labour aren’t in control of calling the by-election; an unscrupulous defending Party might be minded to trigger the date before Labour have a candidate in-situ. The new process does seem more drawn out, specifying that the five Executive Committee members will be appointed by the Executive Committee, so that’s probably a week minimum - given the seven day notice period stipulated in order to hold an EC meeting. Some ECs might also be hard pressed to find five delegates - our EC is only nine strong, and prior to 2019’s election, six applied for selection, thereby disqualifying themselves from the shortlisting panel. as I understood it the panel of 5 was only a majority appointed by EC not all 5. I also understood the process in this by election isn't the new process, the NEC is to clarify the rule change at a future meeting |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 28, 2021 21:51:12 GMT
I suppose the obvious problem with the Rule change is in a constituency that’s not Labour held, but more competitive, and Labour aren’t in control of calling the by-election; an unscrupulous defending Party might be minded to trigger the date before Labour have a candidate in-situ. The new process does seem more drawn out, specifying that the five Executive Committee members will be appointed by the Executive Committee, so that’s probably a week minimum - given the seven day notice period stipulated in order to hold an EC meeting. Some ECs might also be hard pressed to find five delegates - our EC is only nine strong, and prior to 2019’s election, six applied for selection, thereby disqualifying themselves from the shortlisting panel. as I understood it the panel of 5 was only a majority appointed by EC not all 5. I also understood the process in this by election isn't the new process, the NEC is to clarify the rule change at a future meeting Sorry, my bad recollection, it is a majority, but I’d misremembered it as 5-4 CLP not 3-2. The fact it’s not the new process was the original point made by right |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 28, 2021 23:12:09 GMT
as I understood it the panel of 5 was only a majority appointed by EC not all 5. I also understood the process in this by election isn't the new process, the NEC is to clarify the rule change at a future meeting Sorry, my bad recollection, it is a majority, but I’d misremembered it as 5-4 CLP not 3-2. The fact it’s not the new process was the original point made by rightwhat i mean is the process for selecting the candidate for this by election is a new process but it isn't the new process. As I understood it a statement from the nec was issued which explained that for the upcoming by election there would a different process in the spirit of the rule change but not maj sought for and there would be further clarify at the next nec |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 28, 2021 23:13:43 GMT
Sorry, my bad recollection, it is a majority, but I’d misremembered it as 5-4 CLP not 3-2. The fact it’s not the new process was the original point made by rightwhat i mean is the process for selecting the candidate for this by election is a new process but it isn't the new process. As I understood it a statement from the nec was issued which explained that for the upcoming by election there would a different process in the spirit of the rule change but not maj sought for and there would be further clarify at the next nec Not according to the Labour List report quoted earlier. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 29, 2021 9:02:01 GMT
what i mean is the process for selecting the candidate for this by election is a new process but it isn't the new process. As I understood it a statement from the nec was issued which explained that for the upcoming by election there would a different process in the spirit of the rule change but not maj sought for and there would be further clarify at the next nec Not according to the Labour List report quoted earlier. Labour List says the panel is a mix of nec, region and clp. I understood it that previously shortlisting for a by election was a panel of 3 from the nec |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 29, 2021 11:19:42 GMT
Not according to the Labour List report quoted earlier. Labour List says the panel is a mix of nec, region and clp. I understood it that previously shortlisting for a by election was a panel of 3 from the nec Not always; it’s sometimes a make it up as you go along I think; Stoke Central was, to my recollection, the CLP Chair (who was later expelled from the Party for protesting too loudly), Chair of the Regional Board, NEC member (IIRC Keith Vaz), rep from a trade union affiliated to the CLP (Unison at a guess as they had a Constituency Plan Agreement) and a member of the Local Campaign Forum. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 29, 2021 14:26:25 GMT
Labour List says the panel is a mix of nec, region and clp. I understood it that previously shortlisting for a by election was a panel of 3 from the nec Not always; it’s sometimes a make it up as you go along I think; Stoke Central was, to my recollection, the CLP Chair (who was later expelled from the Party for protesting too loudly), Chair of the Regional Board, NEC member (IIRC Keith Vaz), rep from a trade union affiliated to the CLP (Unison at a guess as they had a Constituency Plan Agreement) and a member of the Local Campaign Forum. i think make it up as you go along is fairly accurate |
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Post by mrhell on Nov 4, 2021 15:45:49 GMT
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Post by Wisconsin on Nov 4, 2021 15:48:37 GMT
Is 10 weeks suspended sufficient to trigger the Act?
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YL
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Post by YL on Nov 4, 2021 15:50:41 GMT
Is 10 weeks suspended sufficient to trigger the Act? Yes (but not until potential appeals have been dealt with). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 4, 2021 15:51:58 GMT
She has indicated an appeal against sentence, which means the recall petition procedure will not start until the appeal has been decided.
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Nov 4, 2021 15:52:43 GMT
She has indicated an appeal against sentence, which means the recall petition procedure will not start until the appeal has been decided. That was flagged up the minute the trial ended. |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Nov 4, 2021 16:33:11 GMT
Claudia Webbe has been expelled from the Labour Party
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 4, 2021 17:00:24 GMT
NB that "has been" - it happened when she was convicted.
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Post by elinorhelyn on Nov 4, 2021 17:08:53 GMT
NB that "has been" - it happened when she was convicted. No she had the whip removed, she was no longer a Labour MP but still a Labour member, now she is no longer a Labour member. |
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Post by greenhert on Nov 4, 2021 18:28:41 GMT
She has indicated an appeal against sentence, which means the recall petition procedure will not start until the appeal has been decided. I doubt her appeal will succeed. And when will it be decided by the Crown Court (given that she is appealing a judgement from the Magistrates' Court)? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 4, 2021 19:24:22 GMT
She has indicated an appeal against sentence, which means the recall petition procedure will not start until the appeal has been decided. I doubt her appeal will succeed. And when will it be decided by the Crown Court (given that she is appealing a judgement from the Magistrates' Court)? I don’t know if this is a standard timeline, but Onasanya was found guilty in the January and lost her appeal in March, so factoring in a court shutdown over Christmas/New Year, we may be looking at March/April. |
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