Leicester East

[neilm]

Oct 15, 2021 13:18:09 GMT iainbhx said:

There are people in Leicester East who Keith Vaz would love to replace Webbe and who will organise to get the recall petition sorted.

Fixed that for you.

[The Bishop]

Again, there is absolutely no way Vaz is going to be Labour's endorsed candidate in any byelection.

[timrollpickering]

Has anyone told Keith Vaz this?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Oct 16, 2021 10:26:36 GMT timrollpickering said:

Has anyone told Keith Vaz this?

It'll all come out in the wash.

[elinorhelyn]

Keith Vaz is the chair of the CLP, so he'll have a part to play in the selection whether he runs or not. He could play a kingmaker role where he might endorse someone that might give them a good chance of winning the selection.

[The Bishop]

Well yes, I don't think that at least is an unreasonable thing to say. Webbe only ever became the MP because of his misdeeds, though.

[timmullen1]

Oct 16, 2021 10:34:33 GMT elinorhelyn said:

Keith Vaz is the chair of the CLP, so he'll have a part to play in the selection whether he runs or not. He could play a kingmaker role where he might endorse someone that might give them a good chance of winning the selection.

Not necessarily, by-election selections are run by Regional Office, not the CLP. Obviously he could endorse someone, but that wouldn’t guarantee them making the shortlist.

[maxque]

Oct 16, 2021 10:45:20 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:34:33 GMT elinorhelyn said:

Keith Vaz is the chair of the CLP, so he'll have a part to play in the selection whether he runs or not. He could play a kingmaker role where he might endorse someone that might give them a good chance of winning the selection.

Not necessarily, by-election selections are run by Regional Office, not the CLP. Obviously he could endorse someone, but that wouldn’t guarantee them making the shortlist.

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

[mattbewilson]

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:45:20 GMT timmullen1 said:

Not necessarily, by-election selections are run by Regional Office, not the CLP. Obviously he could endorse someone, but that wouldn’t guarantee them making the shortlist.

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

yes, the guardian cited this today. 5 person panel including CLP members as per members rule change. Ironic i suppose the only members rule change is the first to be used

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:45:20 GMT timmullen1 said:

Not necessarily, by-election selections are run by Regional Office, not the CLP. Obviously he could endorse someone, but that wouldn’t guarantee them making the shortlist.

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

The rule change which passed against NEC recommendations relates to "a by-election, snap election or any other Parliamentary selection where there is insufficient time for a normal selection process".

The NEC could therefore argue that, as there was a lot of notice and time for a normal selection process, that normal selection process should go ahead. And for a Parliamentary byelection that means shortlisting by the NEC.

[maxque]

Oct 16, 2021 11:13:01 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

The rule change which passed against NEC recommendations relates to "a by-election, snap election or any other Parliamentary selection where there is insufficient time for a normal selection process".

The NEC could therefore argue that, as there was a lot of notice and time for a normal selection process, that normal selection process should go ahead. And for a Parliamentary byelection that means shortlisting by the NEC.

Which would be shot down by any competent lawyer, as it is clearly "by-election", "snap election" or "any other Parliamentary selection where there is insufficient time for a normal selection process".

The NEC should learn from their defeat (and the one in Hartlepool) and start respecting CLPs and members.

[timmullen1]

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:45:20 GMT timmullen1 said:

Not necessarily, by-election selections are run by Regional Office, not the CLP. Obviously he could endorse someone, but that wouldn’t guarantee them making the shortlist.

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

Yes, it gives the CLP a 3-2 majority on a shortlisting panel, and the CLP three must be appointed by the CLP Executive (only a slight change from it specifying Chair, Vice Chair and Secretary unless one or more has an interest). It might allow Vaz some control over getting his preferred candidate shortlisted, although if more than one local applies that could split the three CLP members, and the NEC could still thwart him by imposing an all women shortlist if his anointed individual is male.

[CatholicLeft]

Oct 16, 2021 11:23:40 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

Yes, it gives the CLP a 3-2 majority on a shortlisting panel, and the CLP three must be appointed by the CLP Executive (only a slight change from it specifying Chair, Vice Chair and Secretary unless one or more has an interest). It might allow Vaz some control over getting his preferred candidate shortlisted, although if more than one local applies that could split the three CLP members, and the NEC could still thwart him by imposing an all women shortlist if his anointed individual is male.

With a majority of the PLP being women, an all-women shortlist will be hard to impose.

[timmullen1]

Oct 16, 2021 11:31:01 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Oct 16, 2021 11:23:40 GMT timmullen1 said:

Yes, it gives the CLP a 3-2 majority on a shortlisting panel, and the CLP three must be appointed by the CLP Executive (only a slight change from it specifying Chair, Vice Chair and Secretary unless one or more has an interest). It might allow Vaz some control over getting his preferred candidate shortlisted, although if more than one local applies that could split the three CLP members, and the NEC could still thwart him by imposing an all women shortlist if his anointed individual is male.

With a majority of the PLP being women, an all-women shortlist will be hard to impose.

Although in local councils there’s a rule that a woman has to succeed a woman, but am not sure if that applies to Parliamentary elections.

[CatholicLeft]

Oct 16, 2021 11:33:17 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 16, 2021 11:31:01 GMT CatholicLeft said:

With a majority of the PLP being women, an all-women shortlist will be hard to impose.

Although in local councils there’s a rule that a woman has to succeed a woman, but am not sure if that applies to Parliamentary elections.

Under present circumstances, I think it would be open to legal challenge

[timrollpickering]

Oct 16, 2021 10:28:12 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:26:36 GMT timrollpickering said:

Has anyone told Keith Vaz this?

It'll all come out in the wash.

Yes but will the machine live longer with Calgon?

[timmullen1]

Oct 16, 2021 11:34:34 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Oct 16, 2021 11:33:17 GMT timmullen1 said:

Although in local councils there’s a rule that a woman has to succeed a woman, but am not sure if that applies to Parliamentary elections.

Under present circumstances, I think it would be open to legal challenge

I doubt it; AWS are still in the Party Rule Book (although there is a debate beginning about their continued necessity), they’ve been established as in compliance with the Equality Act, so I don’t see any impediment to it being used (other than it being a potential electoral negative in the actual by-election).

[neilm]

Oct 16, 2021 12:07:25 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 16, 2021 11:34:34 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Under present circumstances, I think it would be open to legal challenge

I doubt it; AWS are still in the Party Rule Book (although there is a debate beginning about their continued necessity), they’ve been established as in compliance with the Equality Act, so I don’t see any impediment to it being used (other than it being a potential electoral negative in the actual by-election).

It's the EQA that makes them legal, rather than legislation being in compliance with it, but there's a sunset clause that expires in 2030.

From my professional point of view, it's an iniquitous piece of legislation because it devalues other proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

[right]

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:45:20 GMT timmullen1 said:

Not necessarily, by-election selections are run by Regional Office, not the CLP. Obviously he could endorse someone, but that wouldn’t guarantee them making the shortlist.

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

Not according to the NEC

labourlist.org/2021/10/revealed-labours-selection-process-for-old-bexley-and-sidcup-by-election/

[timmullen1]

Oct 28, 2021 11:24:24 GMT right said:

Oct 16, 2021 10:51:07 GMT maxque said:

Wasn't the process for by-elections changed at the last conference?

Not according to the NEC

labourlist.org/2021/10/revealed-labours-selection-process-for-old-bexley-and-sidcup-by-election/

I suppose the obvious problem with the Rule change is in a constituency that’s not Labour held, but more competitive, and Labour aren’t in control of calling the by-election; an unscrupulous defending Party might be minded to trigger the date before Labour have a candidate in-situ.

The new process does seem more drawn out, specifying that the five Executive Committee members will be appointed by the Executive Committee, so that’s probably a week minimum - given the seven day notice period stipulated in order to hold an EC meeting. Some ECs might also be hard pressed to find five delegates - our EC is only nine strong, and prior to 2019’s election, six applied for selection, thereby disqualifying themselves from the shortlisting panel.