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Post by andrewteale on Oct 13, 2021 22:09:04 GMT
There was, of course, a council by-election in this constituency three months ago for which the result is rather instructive. |
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Post by peterl on Oct 13, 2021 22:46:03 GMT
If she does not get a custodial sentence, it is I believe possible that she could be suspended for a sufficient period to precipitate the opening of a recall petition.
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 13, 2021 23:02:05 GMT
If she does not get a custodial sentence, it is I believe possible that she could be suspended for a sufficient period to precipitate the opening of a recall petition. Can an MP be suspended for an offence that isn't anything to do with their Parliamentary conduct? |
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Post by justin124 on Oct 13, 2021 23:19:44 GMT
If she does not get a custodial sentence, it is I believe possible that she could be suspended for a sufficient period to precipitate the opening of a recall petition. Can an MP be suspended for an offence that isn't anything to do with their Parliamentary conduct? Yes - if it leads to a custodial sentence. |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 14, 2021 0:13:14 GMT
Can an MP be suspended for an offence that isn't anything to do with their Parliamentary conduct? Yes - if it leads to a custodial sentence. The original question was, " If she does not get a custodial sentence, it is I believe possible that she could be suspended for a sufficient period to precipitate the opening of a recall petition." |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 14, 2021 8:16:03 GMT
There's an unpleasant 'double jeopardy' aspect to that. Webbe's crime began before she became an MP and has no connection to her Parliamentary work. The aspect of "bringing the institution into contempt" is dealt with by the recall procedure. If for whatever reason that procedure is not triggered by the criminal justice procedure then it would be procedurally unfair to take Parliamentary action specifically to trigger it another way.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 14, 2021 8:51:33 GMT
Is there a way she could be suspended for bringing the house into disrepute?
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 14, 2021 9:53:12 GMT
There was, of course, a council by-election in this constituency three months ago for which the result is rather instructive. Not sure it is that instructive - it is a ward with a strong Tory vote and had a councillor as recently as 2011. Losing a seat in a byelection while the local MP is on trial, with a reduced turnout compared to local elections, won't tell us too much about a byelection in the wider constituency. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 14, 2021 10:55:02 GMT
There may have been certain other factors behind that particular result too.....
(plus that it was at a time when the Tories were still carrying all before them)
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 14, 2021 17:48:28 GMT
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 14, 2021 18:22:09 GMT
Is that chap holding her hand the partner frequently referred to in this story? |
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Post by simonb on Oct 14, 2021 18:57:02 GMT
A letter has been written to the next leader of the House of Commons requesting (not mandatory IIRC? Davıd Boothroyd would know) that any time of Vaz' suspension left unspent at dissolution be carried over to the next session should he be elected in it. Assuming it was five months plus, wouldn't this trigger a recall petition again? Hypothetically speaking, if Vaz were to be elected at a by election, would his slate be wiped clean? I presume the rolled over suspension that they were intending to impose after the 2019 election has lapsed.? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 14, 2021 19:01:27 GMT
Is that chap holding her hand the partner frequently referred to in this story? Almost certainly yes, The Gruniad online yesterday said they arrived at the court holding hands before she proceeded to tear strips off him from the witness box. |
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 14, 2021 20:15:53 GMT
Is that chap holding her hand the partner frequently referred to in this story? Almost certainly yes, The Gruniad online yesterday said they arrived at the court holding hands before she proceeded to tear strips off him from the witness box. He must have a deep well of patience. Or true love in abundance... |
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Post by mboy on Oct 15, 2021 8:13:20 GMT
He's such a brilliant judge of character and integrity...
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Post by rcronald on Oct 15, 2021 8:55:34 GMT
He's such a brilliant judge of character and integrity... The funniest part is that the man behind Corbyn (Russell Moyle) is probably worse the Webbe…. |
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Post by right on Oct 15, 2021 9:13:58 GMT
Furthermore the presiding magistrate warned Ms Webbe she could face a prison sentence-such an event would of course trigger the Recall of MPs Act 2015, and given the controversy over her initial selection a hypothetical recall petition would have no problem reaching the threshold for success. Recall petitions are actually quite hard to coordinate. Ian Paisley Jr missed one (by a narrow margin) when I think most expected it to succeed. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 15, 2021 9:17:43 GMT
He's such a brilliant judge of character and integrity... Corbyn with exactly the same beliefs and political positions but smart when it came to those he associated with is surely a great "what if" scenario. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 15, 2021 9:21:31 GMT
Furthermore the presiding magistrate warned Ms Webbe she could face a prison sentence-such an event would of course trigger the Recall of MPs Act 2015, and given the controversy over her initial selection a hypothetical recall petition would have no problem reaching the threshold for success. Recall petitions are actually quite hard to coordinate. Ian Paisley Jr missed one (by a narrow margin) when I think most expected it to succeed. I don’t think anyone seriously thought the Antrim recall petition would succeed; not only is the Paisley name so ingrained in the constituency, but it would have required some significant defection in the Unionist community, which never seemed to be present. IIRC people felt Brecon and Radnorshire could go either way, but Peterborough was a slam dunk as all the parties were working for Onasanya’s removal. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 15, 2021 9:41:22 GMT
Furthermore the presiding magistrate warned Ms Webbe she could face a prison sentence-such an event would of course trigger the Recall of MPs Act 2015, and given the controversy over her initial selection a hypothetical recall petition would have no problem reaching the threshold for success. Recall petitions are actually quite hard to coordinate. Ian Paisley Jr missed one (by a narrow margin) when I think most expected it to succeed. As with others, my recollection is a bit different regarding that one. It was also the first attempt at one (I think?) and lessons may have been taken from its narrow failure. In this instance, if its needed I can't see a recall having many problems at all. |
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