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Post by rcronald on Oct 13, 2021 17:36:47 GMT
Peter Bruinvels wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, famously volunteering to personally act as executioner in the event of a return of capital punishment. The MP before him Peter Bradley probably annoyed a lot of Labour supporters by defecting to the SDP. You have to go back to Terence Donovan to find an MP for the seat who wasn't controversial in some way. Tom Bradley. Peter Bradley was Labour MP for The Wrekin, in Shropshire! Didn’t former Tory MP for the seat Peter Bruinvels run against Peter Bradley in 1997? |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 13, 2021 17:40:22 GMT
Tom Bradley. Peter Bradley was Labour MP for The Wrekin, in Shropshire! Didn’t former Tory MP for the seat Peter Bruinvels run against Peter Bradley in 1997? Correct, since the boundary changes made it notionally Conservative and relatively safely so. It has since reverted to type. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 13, 2021 17:44:44 GMT
Didn’t former Tory MP for the seat Peter Bruinvels run against Peter Bradley in 1997? Correct, since the boundary changes made it notionally Conservative and relatively safely so. It has since reverted to type. It’s so weird to think that Lab held the seat from 1997 to 2005 as we won much redder Telford itself in 2019 by more then 25%… |
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 13, 2021 18:51:15 GMT
First Vaz, now Webbe. I swear, is this seat cursed or something? Peter Bruinvels wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, famously volunteering to personally act as executioner in the event of a return of capital punishment. The MP before him Peter Bradley probably annoyed a lot of Labour supporters by defecting to the SDP. You have to go back to Terence Donovan to find an MP for the seat who wasn't controversial in some way. Presumably though, joining the SDP is considered less controversial than extolling the virtues of AIDS wiping out any homosexuals not defeated by Clause 28. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 13, 2021 18:52:19 GMT
In case she does appeal, this was the Onasanya timeline:
19 December 2018 - convicted
29 January 2019 - sentenced to three months
5 March 2019 - Court of Appeal refuses permission for appeal
5 March 2019 - Speaker gives notice under the Act
19 March 2019 - Recall petition opened - start of six week period
1 May 2019 - By-election triggered, seat vacated
6 June 2019 - By-election
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 13, 2021 18:54:02 GMT
Peter Bruinvels wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, famously volunteering to personally act as executioner in the event of a return of capital punishment. The MP before him Peter Bradley probably annoyed a lot of Labour supporters by defecting to the SDP. You have to go back to Terence Donovan to find an MP for the seat who wasn't controversial in some way. Presumably though, joining the SDP is less considered controversial than extolling the virtues of AIDS wiping out any homosexuals not defeated by Clause 28. I think thats official SDP policy now |
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Post by peterl on Oct 13, 2021 19:32:30 GMT
I would think that if she appeals and the appeal is refused/not heard, the chances of a recall petition succeeding might actually be greater. It would no doubt make the local paper and the lack of contrition may go down badly with some.
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Post by Ron Swanson on Oct 13, 2021 19:49:07 GMT
Starmer will probably want Labour members to sign this - and would risk a by election in a seat that has no chance of going blue/yellow to get rid of the crack pot.
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 13, 2021 20:07:16 GMT
Starmer will probably want Labour members to sign this - and would risk a by election in a seat that has no chance of going blue/yellow to get rid of the crack pot. there will be members locally that will but centrally I don't think the party can afford another by election |
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Post by tonyhill on Oct 13, 2021 20:09:47 GMT
When you say 'afford' do you mean financially or because of the possibility of losing the seat to the Tories?
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 13, 2021 20:14:27 GMT
When you say 'afford' do you mean financially or because of the possibility of losing the seat to the Tories? financially |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Oct 13, 2021 20:20:37 GMT
A campaign will only cost them a few grand.
I didn’t realise the Tories got 38% vote share though last time… ouch.
Though the hash they’re making of basically everything will help Labour’s cause.
The last thing the country needs is a crap government gaining seats in by elections.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 13, 2021 20:26:04 GMT
When you say 'afford' do you mean financially or because of the possibility of losing the seat to the Tories? financially Don't be daft , of course it can afford a by election, which , in any case , isn't under it's control; she will either resign (unlikely) be recalled (possible) depending on length of sentence etc. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 13, 2021 20:29:05 GMT
A campaign will only cost them a few grand. I didn’t realise the Tories got 38% vote share though last time… ouch.Though the hash they’re making of basically everything will help Labour’s cause. The last thing the country needs is a crap government gaining seats in by elections. Mainly due to the disastrous candidate selection by Labour though. I doubt there'll make a similar error again, but you never know.. |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Oct 13, 2021 20:40:15 GMT
Does a recall petition have to wait for the outcome of an appeal? Can it be started straight after sentencing?
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 13, 2021 20:42:25 GMT
Does a recall petition have to wait for the outcome of an appeal? Can it be started straight after sentencing? After the end of the appeal period. Defined as the earliest time at which (a) it is no longer possible for there to be a relevant appeal, or (b) all relevant appeals have been determined or otherwise disposed of. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 13, 2021 20:48:14 GMT
Starmer will probably want Labour members to sign this - and would risk a by election in a seat that has no chance of going blue/yellow to get rid of the crack pot. there will be members locally that will but centrally I don't think the party can afford another by election Labour has already called on Webbe to resign so I think the party has decided it can afford a byelection. It's far from certain that Webbe will actually get a custodial sentence. If that doesn't happen, there's no recall petition. |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 13, 2021 21:02:41 GMT
there will be members locally that will but centrally I don't think the party can afford another by election Labour has already called on Webbe to resign so I think the party has decided it can afford a byelection. It's far from certain that Webbe will actually get a custodial sentence. If that doesn't happen, there's no recall petition. It's more likely that they can't afford not to call for one (politically). And the legislation says that a suspended sentence would initiate a recall petition. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 13, 2021 21:24:29 GMT
Labour have called for her to resign but that's literally a bare minimum they should be doing. I didn't know that a custodial sentence meant no petition that's helpfully thank you.
Politically they can't afford not to but financially? I understood the desire to call the Batley by election before the summer break was because they couldn't afford the long campaign
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 22:03:04 GMT
Labour have called for her to resign but that's literally a bare minimum they should be doing. I didn't know that a custodial sentence meant no petition that's helpfully thank you. Politically they can't afford not to but financially? I understood the desire to call the Batley by election before the summer break was because they couldn't afford the long campaign Though the proximity to two years' worth of local elections probably impacted that |
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