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Post by heslingtonian on May 28, 2022 9:27:18 GMT
Izzard v Corbyn in Islington North would be interesting You’d probably expect Corbyn to beat him as an independent candidate, surely? Whatever his other shortcomings, JC has a reputation for being a diligent MP, I gather. As a scenario where Izzard has the Labour label |
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Post by The Bishop on May 28, 2022 10:27:33 GMT
Yes. To my knowledge there was no external influence in her selection, either, although clearly that wasn't the case for Webbe. I always find the issue of 'parachuting' of interest. There have always been constituency parties in traditionally Labour seats who decide, often after a long period of local backbench representation, that they deserve a bit of glamour and will opt for a London lawyer or similar likely to make the Cabinet. I think Twigg, the two Milibands, and certainly Blair come into that category - not sure whether Tristram Hunt was in a similar position. These are often presented as parachutes, but they weren't. Ed Miliband actually defeated Michael Dugher in Doncaster, though it was Dugher's place of birth and upbringing. having heard him sing Hey Jude, I'd say that Dugher is a much better singer than he was a politician And he wouldn't have to be a brilliant singer for that to be the case tbh. |
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Post by tonyhill on May 28, 2022 12:18:30 GMT
I do wonder why people with talents unrelated to politics (assuming you think Izzard is talented) want to become MPs. c.f. Glenda Jackson.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 28, 2022 14:10:05 GMT
I do wonder why people with talents unrelated to politics (assuming you think Izzard is talented) want to become MPs. c.f. Glenda Jackson. Because they feel their experience outside the political bubble can bring a different perspective than the public school, PPE degree Oxbridge educated former SPAD’s who are dominating the green benches today? |
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Post by tonyhill on May 28, 2022 15:39:43 GMT
Which, unfortunately, it won't.
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Post by aargauer on May 28, 2022 15:46:51 GMT
Which, unfortunately, it won't. That makes the presumption that all Oxford PPE-ists think alike. |
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Post by maxque on May 28, 2022 15:48:14 GMT
Which, unfortunately, it won't. That makes the presumption that all Oxford PPE-ists think alike. But they do. It's the very goal of the PPE. |
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Post by aargauer on May 28, 2022 15:49:45 GMT
That makes the presumption that all Oxford PPE-ists think alike. But they do. It's the very goal of the PPE. Ok: Mark Reckless v Meg Hillier. Or Ed Davey v Anne Widdecombe. Just for starters. Do they think the same? |
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Post by YL on May 28, 2022 15:57:33 GMT
That makes the presumption that all Oxford PPE-ists think alike. But they do. It's the very goal of the PPE. This is just as silly as the right-wing culture warriors' nonsense we get about a lot of other university courses. |
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Post by mattbewilson on May 28, 2022 17:37:44 GMT
But they do. It's the very goal of the PPE. Ok: Mark Reckless v Meg Hillier. Or Ed Davey v Anne Widdecombe. Just for starters. Do they think the same? their politics operate within the capitalist economic model |
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Post by aargauer on May 28, 2022 18:41:30 GMT
Ok: Mark Reckless v Meg Hillier. Or Ed Davey v Anne Widdecombe. Just for starters. Do they think the same? their politics operate within the capitalist economic model Thats akin to saying they've all got a head, two arms and two legs. |
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Post by neilm on May 28, 2022 18:49:06 GMT
Ok: Mark Reckless v Meg Hillier. Or Ed Davey v Anne Widdecombe. Just for starters. Do they think the same? their politics operate within the capitalist economic model So do yours. Because that's the economic model we have. |
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Post by mattbewilson on May 28, 2022 18:56:37 GMT
their politics operate within the capitalist economic model Thats akin to saying they've all got a head, two arms and two legs. but it isn't. There are more people who believe in other economic models than have less/more than two arms and two legs |
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Post by mattbewilson on May 28, 2022 18:57:42 GMT
their politics operate within the capitalist economic model So do yours. Because that's the economic model we have. it's the economic model we have but there people within it who believe in other economic models |
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Post by aargauer on May 28, 2022 19:17:26 GMT
Let's not beat about the bush - we are talking about a command economy.
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Post by johnloony on May 29, 2022 0:40:24 GMT
I do wonder why people with talents unrelated to politics (assuming you think Izzard is talented) want to become MPs. c.f. Glenda Jackson. For the same reason that people with talents unrelated to politics want to become MPs. e.g. miners, teachers, train drivers, architects, athletes, bankers, shop stewards, tailors, builders, soldiers, artists, bricklayers, photographers, publicans, factory workers, milliners, drapers, whatever. The question should not focus solely on people who have one particular type of talent which, as a side-effect, happens to render them more famous than all the other professions or occupations. |
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Post by tonyhill on May 29, 2022 6:20:26 GMT
OK - let me expand on the point. Eddie Izzard is an entertainer who uses his skills to manipulate audiences. As an MP he would find those skills pretty much redundant - there are very few MPs who personally make much of an impact politically in the Commons - so is he deluding himself by thinking that he might have an audience in parliament, or is he actually prepared to put the ego necessary for his current career to one side in order to sit in the Commons listening to boring speeches which change nothing, troop through lobbies, and answer endless emails from constituents with their trivial (or serious) problems?
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Post by The Bishop on May 29, 2022 9:29:10 GMT
I do wonder why people with talents unrelated to politics (assuming you think Izzard is talented) want to become MPs. c.f. Glenda Jackson. Well given that she was a fairly prominent political activist for decades before becoming an MP in 1992, maybe not the best example of this sort of thing. |
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Post by tonyhill on May 29, 2022 9:41:53 GMT
"...miners...shop stewards...milliners, drapers.." - I wonder how long ago a milliner or a draper stood for parliament?
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Post by finsobruce on May 29, 2022 10:09:07 GMT
"...miners...shop stewards...milliners, drapers.." - I wonder how long ago a milliner or a draper stood for parliament? Alastair Darling's uncle Sir William Darling, Unionist MP for Edinburgh South (1945-57) and Lord Provost of Edinburgh (1941-44) was a draper
Ruby Davies the Labour candidate for Wells in 1929 trained as a milliner before becoming a trade union organiser.
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