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Post by curiousliberal on Oct 22, 2019 4:26:25 GMT
A relief for the Liberals but still not good; the majority is gone, they trail in votes and the pattern of the victory of sorts is not very healthy. Poor for the Conservatives: they have just blown an election they could have (and should have) won because they scared urban Ontario. A catastrophic set of results for the NDP, even if is a lesser catastrophe than looked likely earlier this year. An unwelcome return for the Bloc and on one of the darkest campaigns they've ever run: nasty stuff. A missed opportunity for the Greens. And, happily, a major flop for Bernier. A good election for PR, I think. (Assuming Trudeau wants a third term.) |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 22, 2019 4:28:47 GMT
NDP at 13% in Toronto...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 4:36:10 GMT
A couple of the traditionally Conservative New Brunswick ridings have been called for the Tories. Largely expected, it's a shock the Liberals ever won then in the first place! I reckon if the Atlantic is projected across the country it would be a Liberal minority. There's been a 14% swing in Atlantic Canada so far. If you project that across the country you get a pretty big Conservative majority. The polls suggested the Lib share in Atlantic would take a bit of a tonking, not least because they started from such a high base. The overall result was better than expected for Libs given that start but not overwhelmingly so and in line with what I would have guessed in vote share. I haven't followed CBC all night but this result looks at the higher end of expectations in terms of seat count for Libs - not far off majority, comfortably over the line if C&S from NDP - and Tories have no route to power. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 22, 2019 4:40:08 GMT
Poor for the Conservatives: they have just blown an election they could have (and should have) won because they scared urban Ontario. And this although they had chosen their apparently most harmless MP... |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 22, 2019 4:52:50 GMT
Can a Lib/NDP coalition or a minority Lib government last for four years?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 4:55:01 GMT
Can a Lib/NDP coalition or a minority Lib government last for four years? Depends on polls I think, if it suits either Lib or NDP to pull the plug they might do. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 22, 2019 4:59:14 GMT
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 22, 2019 5:02:25 GMT
I have to say I much prefer the Canadian coverage of elections to the BBC. Less shouty politicos and fewer boring guests. Needs an actual psephologist on the show thou. and a swingometer and that sort of thing.
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 22, 2019 5:05:40 GMT
I have to say I much prefer the Canadian coverage of elections to the BBC. Less shouty politicos and fewer boring guests. Needs an actual psephologist on the show thou. and a swingometer and that sort of thing. I like the fact they concentrate on showing the results. Some election shows spend most of the time with inane chatter from guests. |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 22, 2019 5:30:15 GMT
Conservatives got the votes, just not in the right places. Check out Elmwood-Transcona (Manitoba). in 2015 the NDP gained it from the conservatives with a majority of 61. Tonight the NDP majority is over 3,000. & then theres places like Milton which they lost to the liberals and Frederickton where they would've expected to do better. questions the main parties will be asking themselves. Conservatives - how do we expand beyond our base? Liberals - is trudeau damaging the liberal brand or is our brand damaged regardless? NDP - where the fuck do we go from here? Greens - Is it time for new leadership? The Bloc Party: Où est Ottawa et comment y arriver? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 22, 2019 5:33:33 GMT
Interesting that both the United States and Canada now have leaders that lost the popular vote.
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 22, 2019 5:57:54 GMT
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Post by markgoodair on Oct 22, 2019 6:50:16 GMT
A relief for the Liberals but still not good; the majority is gone, they trail in votes and the pattern of the victory of sorts is not very healthy. Poor for the Conservatives: they have just blown an election they could have (and should have) won because they scared urban Ontario. A catastrophic set of results for the NDP, even if is a lesser catastrophe than looked likely earlier this year. An unwelcome return for the Bloc and on one of the darkest campaigns they've ever run: nasty stuff. A missed opportunity for the Greens. And, happily, a major flop for Bernier. A good election for PR, I think. (Assuming Trudeau wants a third term.) With the Conservatives having a quarter of a million more votes but 22 fewer seats than the Liberals then if ever there was a case to introduce fair voting this is it. |
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Post by gasman2019 on Oct 22, 2019 7:07:13 GMT
Canada have voted to keep a privileged, racist and misogynistic dick in charge.
If Trump had done the black facing and the alleged scandals involving women, the left would have gone hysterical and be asking for blood.
However due to Justin claiming to be a feminist and other identity politics crap like dressing up in an traditional Indian attire, it was ok to vote for him.
The left constantly talk about the need to have less privileged white males in power. Well Justin Trudeau is as privileged as one can be.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 22, 2019 7:56:24 GMT
It's very clear that the centre left parties have a clear lead.
PR seems a must for the smaller parties. It could be organised at regional level.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Oct 22, 2019 7:58:39 GMT
An election prior to 2023 is likely if precedent is anything to go by.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:06:31 GMT
Canada have voted to keep a privileged, racist and misogynistic dick in charge. If Trump had done the black facing and the alleged scandals involving women, the left would have gone hysterical and be asking for blood. However due to Justin claiming to be a feminist and other identity politics crap like dressing up in an traditional Indian attire, it was ok to vote for him. The left constantly talk about the need to have less privileged white males in power. Well Justin Trudeau is as privileged as one can be. im sure trump will be reelected even if he blacked up |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 22, 2019 8:18:27 GMT
Canada have voted to keep a privileged, racist and misogynistic dick in charge. If Trump had done the black facing and the alleged scandals involving women, the left would have gone hysterical and be asking for blood. However due to Justin claiming to be a feminist and other identity politics crap like dressing up in an traditional Indian attire, it was ok to vote for him. The left constantly talk about the need to have less privileged white males in power. Well Justin Trudeau is as privileged as one can be. Minority governments in Canada don't usually last longer than 2 years. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 22, 2019 8:20:25 GMT
Looks like the Canadian opinion polls underestimated the Conservatives by around 3 percentage points, which is right on the edge of their margin of error.
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Post by mboy on Oct 22, 2019 8:31:40 GMT
Probably the best possible result - the charlatan humbled, but liberals will continue to govern the country. Hopefully the NDP will force Trudeau to implement his previous PR policy now.
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