Izzyeviel
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 23, 2019 18:06:15 GMT
Do the people of Alberta have a genuine grievance or are they just whiny brats?
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Post by maxque on Oct 23, 2019 19:34:58 GMT
Do the people of Alberta have a genuine grievance or are they just whiny brats? They chose to have no sales tax and very low income tax and are now whining the other provinces don't want to shore them up in harder economical times. |
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Post by London Lad on Oct 24, 2019 12:06:50 GMT
Do the people of Alberta have a genuine grievance or are they just whiny brats? They chose to have no sales tax and very low income tax and are now whining the other provinces don't want to shore them up in harder economical times. Yet the other provinces have been more than happy to have Alberta subsidizing them over the decades.. funny that... |
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Post by mboy on Oct 24, 2019 12:29:06 GMT
It was nastier and more overt than normal. I'm not sure if there was all that much difference between it and the sort of campaigns Le Pen runs these days. When you consider that the Bloc was once led by a genuine political titan and intellectual like Bouchard, the state of some of them these days is quite dreadful. It's as though nationalism - no matter how intellectual and civic it supposes to start as - always ends up in the gutter of political discourse. If only someone had warned them! |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 24, 2019 12:58:55 GMT
They chose to have no sales tax and very low income tax and are now whining the other provinces don't want to shore them up in harder economical times. Yet the other provinces have been more than happy to have Alberta subsidizing them over the decades.. funny that... Equalisation payments have a quite convoluted formula but one of the effects is that Alberta hasn't received any payments since the mid 1960s whilst Quebec has had over half of all payments. Alberta is in recession and many believe it could be solved if the federal government would agree to pipeline construction. It has brought to the forth all the grievances about the east and in particular the excess accommodation of Quebec at the expense of the west. |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 24, 2019 13:52:23 GMT
I thought Trudeau had agreed to the pipeline?
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Post by maxque on Oct 24, 2019 14:06:40 GMT
Yet the other provinces have been more than happy to have Alberta subsidizing them over the decades.. funny that... Equalisation payments have a quite convoluted formula but one of the effects is that Alberta hasn't received any payments since the mid 1960s whilst Quebec has had over half of all payments. Alberta is in recession and many believe it could be solved if the federal government would agree to pipeline construction. It has brought to the forth all the grievances about the east and in particular the excess accommodation of Quebec at the expense of the west. The solution isn't building more pipelines (it won't make allow them to make more money out of the oil, given the issue is low oil prices), but diversification of their economy. But their government cannot promote that, because they are broke because of their very low taxes. They can solve their issues, it's just than the provincial Conservatives don't have the courage of doing what is needed and prefer to blame other provinces, the federal, ecologists and leftists instead. |
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Post by pepperminttea on Oct 24, 2019 15:09:35 GMT
It was nastier and more overt than normal. I'm not sure if there was all that much difference between it and the sort of campaigns Le Pen runs these days. When you consider that the Bloc was once led by a genuine political titan and intellectual like Bouchard, the state of some of them these days is quite dreadful. I think it's pretty clear the future of the Bloc is as a centre-right populist party (look at the popularity of the centre-right CAQ government at the provincial level). The Tories are dead in most of the province outside of ~15 or so ridings in or around Quebec City and are not entirely incorrectly viewed as an anti-Quebec Western interest party. This leaves a massive gap in the market for a party of the right without a toxic brand (the Liberals and the NDP are already competing for centre-left/'progressive' votes leaving that market highly saturated). The Bloc's surge in rural and small town Quebec in this election was based primarily on the controversy around Bill 21 (banning all religious symbols worn by public sector workers) and this was, in my opinion, the first step in their transition into a party of the right. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2019 16:32:13 GMT
Fianna Quebec.
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Post by jamie on Oct 25, 2019 20:45:37 GMT
The Bloc's surge in rural and small town Quebec in this election was based primarily on the controversy around Bill 21 (banning all religious symbols worn by public sector workers) and this was, in my opinion, the first step in their transition into a party of the right. It does seem odd that the state undermining religious freedom has become a rallying cry for the right while heavily criticised by the left. I could understand if it was just targeted as at specific religion (Muslims) but it’s actually a ban on all religious symbols including Christian ones so you would think conservatives would be the ones most opposed to it. Oh well, that’s the French for you. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 26, 2019 2:42:49 GMT
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Post by maxque on Mar 25, 2020 3:23:18 GMT
Canadian Conservatives, unable to accept they lost the election, are now abusing the parlimentary process to block the coronavirus relief bill backed by all other parties, bringing millions of Canadians on the verge of bankruptcy.
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Mar 25, 2020 13:21:24 GMT
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