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Post by carlton43 on Jul 26, 2019 9:03:35 GMT
And that is a rather intrusive and aggressive first post. Perhaps you will be in better humour after your exile in Siberia? Look forward to hearing from you next in say 7-years time? Wow, C43, just wow. You have surpassed yourself - and I don't mean that in a good way. You are a very exciteable member and you 'Wow' so very easily. Calm yourself. And try to avoid those girlie little phases "...and I don't mean in a good way..." Woden wept! How very Junior School of you. Try and aspire to the Remove! |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 26, 2019 9:13:35 GMT
And that is a rather intrusive and aggressive first post. Perhaps you will be in better humour after your exile in Siberia? Look forward to hearing from you next in say 7-years time? I think that’s Carlton’s routine put down to new members, makes you nervous for ten minutes but take no notice and as long as you’re not rude to anybody feel free to say what you think. I am often one of the first to welcome new members and I have befriended a number of them. I don't think a first post should be overt criticism but more a 'Hello...This is who I am'. And this is only a mild jocular allusion to the fictional character avatar he has chosen. No harm in that. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 26, 2019 9:14:26 GMT
Wow, C43, just wow. You have surpassed yourself - and I don't mean that in a good way. You are a very exciteable member and you 'Wow' so very easily. Calm yourself. And try to avoid those girlie little phases "...and I don't mean in a good way..." Woden wept! How very Junior School of you. Try and aspire to the Remove! It's wonderful to know that in a world of flux some things are constant. Your bitterness being one - the only man made thing that can be seen from space. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 26, 2019 9:27:15 GMT
You are a very exciteable member and you 'Wow' so very easily. Calm yourself. And try to avoid those girlie little phases "...and I don't mean in a good way..." Woden wept! How very Junior School of you. Try and aspire to the Remove! It's wonderful to know that in a world of flux some things are constant. Your bitterness being one - the only man made thing that can be seen from space. Wrong as usual. In a Cosmos of flux nothing is constant......That is the point of terming it flux. There is nothing bitter about me old chap (not close to a pub either) I just dislike gormlessness. |
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Post by justin124 on Jul 26, 2019 9:35:05 GMT
A "safe seat" has voted for the Independents in its last three outings, most recently just two months ago by a massive margin? I mean, did you even look at the past results  Hartlepool is a safe Labour seat. Gloucester is a marginal area. I shouldn't have to spell this out on here. Hartlepool is not actually a particularly safe Labour seat. It was also a Tory gain at the 1959 election - though Labour-held since 1964. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 26, 2019 9:38:29 GMT
Hi. As a newcomer who enjoys seeing the weekly swings between party's I today's volatile situation I do think a couple of commentators need to relax more.Calling all lib dems stupid people is not constructive And that is a rather intrusive and aggressive first post. Perhaps you will be in better humour after your exile in Siberia? Look forward to hearing from you next in say 7-years time? Come now Brother Carlton, he's committed no crime and merits no punishment. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 26, 2019 9:40:27 GMT
Hartlepool is a safe Labour seat. Gloucester is a marginal area. I shouldn't have to spell this out on here. Hartlepool is not actually a particularly safe Labour seat. It was also a Tory gain at the 1959 election - though Labour-held since 1964. I don't want to make anyone feel old but my grandparents weren't even married yet in 1964, so that's a bit out of my perspective. |
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Post by justin124 on Jul 26, 2019 9:44:57 GMT
Hartlepool is not actually a particularly safe Labour seat. It was also a Tory gain at the 1959 election - though Labour-held since 1964. I don't want to make anyone feel old but my grandparents weren't even married yet in 1964, so that's a bit out of my perspective. As recently as 2015 the Labour majority was only 3,000 - over UKIP. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 26, 2019 10:07:33 GMT
Hartlepool is not actually a particularly safe Labour seat. It was also a Tory gain at the 1959 election - though Labour-held since 1964. I don't want to make anyone feel old but my grandparents weren't even married yet in 1964, so that's a bit out of my perspective. Amazing! My Father was born in the reign of Victoria and one grandparent was involved in the siege of Paris during the Franco Prussian War. I remember the by-election in 1959 (my last full year at school) and the victor Lt.Cmdr. Kerans who had been the hero of The Yangtse Incident winning on a personal vote of nationalism and goodwill. I think he was just a one term member? There was quite a good film of the incident with Richard Todd as Kerans on a naval vessel well up a Chinese river being shelled by commie artilliary from one bank. He got caught on a mud shoal and lost a lot dead from action and more being taken by heat in an Asian high summer on a metal boat not moving. Great story. |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Jul 26, 2019 10:09:57 GMT
Suspect that the Tories might be quietly pleased, or perhaps more accurately not that upset, with what happened in Gloucester last night. It shows what the strategy for a snap GE for them will be: in high leave areas, try to pick up Labour seats by losing fewer votes than Labour, whilst squeezing the BXP with superior ground game and resources. It worked pretty well in Podsmead, in that they finished well ahead of Labour, and I doubt the Tories will be worried about us putting up a serious fight in Gloucester at the next GE.
It does seem to be quite high risk though, and I feel they're assuming the Con-LD battleground is a lot smaller than is actually the case, as well as the Scottish seats they're going to sacrifice in the process. That's even before you remember that they're not actually defending a majority to begin with!
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 26, 2019 10:19:28 GMT
Yes actually I totally agree with that but selling it as a Swinson bounce can only be good! I would say though that the level of local success and its breadth across the country shows what can happen once the local hard work is put in and the national tends are favourable. #SwinsonSurge is I think the approved hashtag  More alliterative, I suppose, but I hope nobody will suggest SwinsonSwing. |
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Post by justin124 on Jul 26, 2019 10:21:37 GMT
I don't want to make anyone feel old but my grandparents weren't even married yet in 1964, so that's a bit out of my perspective. Amazing! My Father was born in the reign of Victoria and one grandparent was involved in the siege of Paris during the Franco Prussian War. I remember the by-election in 1959 (my last full year at school) and the victor Lt.Cmdr. Kerans who had been the hero of The Yangtse Incident winning on a personal vote of nationalism and goodwill. I think he was just a one term member? There was quite a good film of the incident with Richard Todd as Kerans on a naval vessel well up a Chinese river being shelled by commie artilliary from one bank. He got caught on a mud shoal and lost a lot dead from action and more being taken by heat in an Asian high summer on a metal boat not moving. Great story. There was no by election - it was Macmillan's 1959 'We have never had it so good' General Election. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 26, 2019 10:24:05 GMT
I think that’s Carlton’s routine put down to new members, makes you nervous for ten minutes but take no notice and as long as you’re not rude to anybody feel free to say what you think. I am often one of the first to welcome new members and I have befriended a number of them. I don't think a first post should be overt criticism but more a 'Hello...This is who I am'. And this is only a mild jocular allusion to the fictional character avatar he has chosen. No harm in that. Beware and realise he can be a very dangerous character. If you are busy counting your (political?) assets you could be in trouble. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 26, 2019 10:28:38 GMT
The Hartlepools was of course only a very narrow Labour gain in 1945
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 26, 2019 10:33:19 GMT
I am often one of the first to welcome new members and I have befriended a number of them. I don't think a first post should be overt criticism but more a 'Hello...This is who I am'. And this is only a mild jocular allusion to the fictional character avatar he has chosen. No harm in that. Beware and realise he can be a very dangerous character. If you are busy counting your (political?) assets you could be in trouble. He is a rather dim penurious student on the snoflake register and I rather see myself as the Petrovitch continually dogging his tread with my waiting game. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 26, 2019 11:11:30 GMT
It's wonderful to know that in a world of flux some things are constant. Your bitterness being one - the only man made thing that can be seen from space. Wrong as usual. In a Cosmos of flux nothing is constant......That is the point of terming it flux. There is nothing bitter about me old chap (not close to a pub either) I just dislike gormlessness. It seems to go something like this. C43 sets out his hard and fast rules for calculating swing which are very fair and totally non-patisan despite only ever including two parties. Others then follow these rules to the letter and calculate by election swings based on his criteria. Somehow he sees this as an affront and accuses them of being gormless trolls, abusive, stupid, moronic, nasty, duplicitous and, worst of all in his eyes, girlie. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 26, 2019 11:50:49 GMT
Wrong as usual. In a Cosmos of flux nothing is constant......That is the point of terming it flux. There is nothing bitter about me old chap (not close to a pub either) I just dislike gormlessness. It seems to go something like this. C43 sets out his hard and fast rules for calculating swing which are very fair and totally non-patisan despite only ever including two parties. Others then follow these rules to the letter and calculate by election swings based on his criteria. Somehow he sees this as an affront and accuses them of being gormless trolls, abusive, stupid, moronic, nasty, duplicitous and, worst of all in his eyes, girlie. Somehow I think it best if we leave all the calculations of swings to the esteemed middleenglander, who, incidentally, *does* recognise swings other than between red and blue. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 26, 2019 12:26:42 GMT
Wrong as usual. In a Cosmos of flux nothing is constant......That is the point of terming it flux. There is nothing bitter about me old chap (not close to a pub either) I just dislike gormlessness. It seems to go something like this. C43 sets out his hard and fast rules for calculating swing which are very fair and totally non-patisan despite only ever including two parties. Others then follow these rules to the letter and calculate by election swings based on his criteria. Somehow he sees this as an affront and accuses them of being gormless trolls, abusive, stupid, moronic, nasty, duplicitous and, worst of all in his eyes, girlie. Reported you for persistent trolling of me. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 26, 2019 13:18:24 GMT
It seems to go something like this. C43 sets out his hard and fast rules for calculating swing which are very fair and totally non-patisan despite only ever including two parties. Others then follow these rules to the letter and calculate by election swings based on his criteria. Somehow he sees this as an affront and accuses them of being gormless trolls, abusive, stupid, moronic, nasty, duplicitous and, worst of all in his eyes, girlie. Reported you for persistent trolling of me. And you make my point at the same time. Perfect. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 26, 2019 16:01:31 GMT
It seems to go something like this. C43 sets out his hard and fast rules for calculating swing which are very fair and totally non-patisan despite only ever including two parties. Others then follow these rules to the letter and calculate by election swings based on his criteria. Somehow he sees this as an affront and accuses them of being gormless trolls, abusive, stupid, moronic, nasty, duplicitous and, worst of all in his eyes, girlie. Somehow I think it best if we leave all the calculations of swings to the esteemed middleenglander , who, incidentally, *does* recognise swings other than between red and blue. A good idea. Otherwise a peace keeping force might have to be brought in. |
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