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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 27, 2018 0:22:04 GMT
I've sometimes encountered the view in the Scottish Greens, especially outside Edinburgh and Glasgow, that standing paper candidates is 'deceptive', especially if the candidate doesn't live in the ward. It tends to come from those who, in my estimation, have never really come to terms with the idea of being a political party. Are these members who want to sit around in sitting rooms discussing how terrible some development is and wouldn't it be an idea to write a letter to the paper like it's 1985? (Just where is that Little & Large sketch?) |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 27, 2018 6:20:23 GMT
Both Labour and the Conservatives have reasons to be pleased with this weeks resuls.
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 27, 2018 7:17:19 GMT
I've sometimes encountered the view in the Scottish Greens, especially outside Edinburgh and Glasgow, that standing paper candidates is 'deceptive', especially if the candidate doesn't live in the ward. It tends to come from those who, in my estimation, have never really come to terms with the idea of being a political party. Are these members who want to sit around in sitting rooms discussing how terrible some development is and wouldn't it be an idea to write a letter to the paper like it's 1985? (Just where is that Little & Large sketch?) While this characterisation of the individuals in question may be justified (how would I know?) I am getting a little tired of this put down of anyone who dares to question the orthodox view that paper candidates are always worth while. Times are changing. There was a time where a Lib Dem or Green could be put on the ballot paper and nothing else done and you could still get a hundred votes or so and you would have offered these people something to vote for, even if you had no idea who they were who were voting. Nowadays, for a complex number of reasons, you could put the same candidate on the ballot paper and you struggle sometimes to match the number of signatures on the SOPN. In that case I really do question the point- you are holding the poor candidate up to ridicule, and for what? My answer, btw, is not that you shouldn't stand candidates,but you must be prepared to put in a little bit of work on their behalf- a little bit of canvassing,a leaflet in the more likely streets, a bit of work on the telephone or online. if you haven't got the resources to do at least one of those,then you are the ones I question whether you are serious about being a political party. |
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Post by froome on Jul 27, 2018 8:31:23 GMT
Are these members who want to sit around in sitting rooms discussing how terrible some development is and wouldn't it be an idea to write a letter to the paper like it's 1985? (Just where is that Little & Large sketch?) While this characterisation of the individuals in question may be justified (how would I know?) I am getting a little tired of this put down of anyone who dares to question the orthodox view that paper candidates are always worth while. Times are changing. There was a time where a Lib Dem or Green could be put on the ballot paper and nothing else done and you could still get a hundred votes or so and you would have offered these people something to vote for, even if you had no idea who they were who were voting. Nowadays, for a complex number of reasons, you could put the same candidate on the ballot paper and you struggle sometimes to match the number of signatures on the SOPN. In that case I really do question the point- you are holding the poor candidate up to ridicule, and for what? My answer, btw, is not that you shouldn't stand candidates,but you must be prepared to put in a little bit of work on their behalf- a little bit of canvassing,a leaflet in the more likely streets, a bit of work on the telephone or online. if you haven't got the resources to do at least one of those,then you are the ones I question whether you are serious about being a political party. I agree. There really isn't a better way of turning off the enthusiasm of a potential activist than asking them to stand as a paper candidate, encouraging them not to campaign (on the basis that you want them to campaign elsewhere) and then seeing their faces when they receive less votes than they needed to find signatories and. as yellowperil says, being held to ridicule. The chances are you won't see them volunteering for anything again. |
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Post by markf on Jul 27, 2018 8:45:19 GMT
Ah, they do only spread their wings with the coming of the dusk. Wow ,thank you finsobruce can I share on my facebook plz? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 27, 2018 9:05:56 GMT
Wow ,thank you finsobruce can I share on my facebook plz? Of Course. It has a surprisingly small number of views on youtube considering how good her voice is and the interest in Gilbert and Sullivan. |
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Post by markf on Jul 27, 2018 9:15:16 GMT
thank you
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 27, 2018 9:37:54 GMT
Gurnos turnout 27%
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 27, 2018 9:54:37 GMT
Knowsley (West Lancashire) result: LAB: 41.3% (-9.6) OWL: 35.2% (+19.9) CON: 23.5% (-10.3) Labour HOLD. Strikingly similar to the W Lancs byelection result last week, even if the parties are in a different order. |
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Post by stananson on Jul 27, 2018 10:16:36 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 27, 2018 10:21:04 GMT
higher than I might have expected, all things considered? |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 27, 2018 10:23:10 GMT
Merthyr per twitter
Ind Davies 375
Labour 368
Ind Singh 144
Con 32
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 27, 2018 10:24:19 GMT
I had heard there was going to be a recount - is that the result or just the pre-recount outcome?
EDIT: I presume that's after the recount.
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Post by andrewp on Jul 27, 2018 10:43:41 GMT
I had heard there was going to be a recount - is that the result or just the pre-recount outcome? EDIT: I presume that's after the recount. I assumed that was post recount too |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jul 27, 2018 10:56:21 GMT
higher than I might have expected, all things considered? It's a fairly similar turnout to the 2017 local election in the ward. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 27, 2018 11:15:25 GMT
Bah, fiddlesticks.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 27, 2018 11:29:52 GMT
Although Labour ends up one seat down, it's not so bad a week. NE Lincs Freshney could very easily have been lost (it voted Tory in May) and that would have meant the council probably going Tory. Plymouth Stoke is a Labour marginal and delivered a very satisfying increased majority. And it's clear the previous councillor in Gurnos held her seat on a personal vote, so coming close to keeping it is actually reasonable.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 27, 2018 12:47:56 GMT
Times are changing. There was a time where a Lib Dem or Green could be put on the ballot paper and nothing else done and you could still get a hundred votes or so and you would have offered these people something to vote for, even if you had no idea who they were who were voting. ... The value of paper candidates is when you've had hardly any candidates in the past and putting up candidates will reveal where any latent support might be. The Greens made their breakthrough in Sheffield in the all-ups in 2004 when they stretched themselves to put a candidate in every ward in the city and consequently discovered where it was worth campaigning. Yes, and in Sheffield Brightside I've had times where not all of my nominees actually voted for me.  |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 27, 2018 15:50:20 GMT
Both Labour and the Conservatives have reasons to be pleased with this weeks resuls. A few more votes in Merthyr would have made it even better for us. Regarding the recent UKIP poll revival, their only showing this week (in Freshney) saw their vote drop signifcantly on this May - so the jury is still very much out. |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 27, 2018 16:06:07 GMT
Both Labour and the Conservatives have reasons to be pleased with this weeks resuls. A few more votes in Merthyr would have made it even better for us. Regarding the recent UKIP poll revival, their only showing this week (in Freshney) saw their vote drop signifcantly on this May - so the jury is still very much out. Yes, Factoring Merthyr in now, I would say Labour had a reasonable week. Labour will be very pleased about Freshney, and perhaps surprised at being run quite close in Ormskirk. I would say the Conservatives had a pretty good week with 2 gains. |
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