timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 23, 2018 11:46:35 GMT
If those insights were libelous then presumably the fact that they were written in a language other than English would not be a defence. This means that moderators will have to use a translation tool on any and every post made in another language to ensure that they are not libelous or do not otherwise infringe the rules of the site. If everyone decided to start making posts in random and obscure languages the site would become literally unmanageable A appoint a moderator proficient in Welsh? Insist all posts not in the English language include a link to a translation tool so anybody so inclined could assess its appropriateness? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:01:23 GMT
If people wish to post in languages other than English, that's their prerogative. I assume the fact that their insights will be available to only a tiny percentage of the UK population (0.4% in this case) is something they have taken into account. If those insights were libelous then presumably the fact that they were written in a language other than English would not be a defence. This means that moderators will have to use a translation tool on any and every post made in another language to ensure that they are not libelous or do not otherwise infringe the rules of the site. If everyone decided to start making posts in random and obscure languages the site would become literally unmanageable That's an interesting point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:04:56 GMT
If those insights were libelous then presumably the fact that they were written in a language other than English would not be a defence. This means that moderators will have to use a translation tool on any and every post made in another language to ensure that they are not libelous or do not otherwise infringe the rules of the site. If everyone decided to start making posts in random and obscure languages the site would become literally unmanageable While not disagreeing with your basic point, it might not be quite acceptable to call Welsh a "random and obscure" language. It is a mainstream language of these islands,and it was used briefly and the meaning was pretty clear even without having Welsh as a language, and it would have been pretty difficult to have libelled anyone in those few words.It has not often happened that somebody uses a language other than English in their actual posts,it is fairly common to link to a foreign language source where the same might apply. is a violent sex-maniac. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jul 23, 2018 12:10:01 GMT
If people wish to post in languages other than English, that's their prerogative. I assume the fact that their insights will be available to only a tiny percentage of the UK population (0.4% in this case) is something they have taken into account. If those insights were libelous then presumably the fact that they were written in a language other than English would not be a defence. This means that moderators will have to use a translation tool on any and every post made in another language to ensure that they are not libelous or do not otherwise infringe the rules of the site. If everyone decided to start making posts in random and obscure languages the site would become literally unmanageable I can manage in reading simple Welsh on a good day and I have a good Welsh dictionary at home if needs be. Don't ask me to speak any though, it's been a long time since my grandfather died. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 23, 2018 12:25:09 GMT
If those insights were libelous then presumably the fact that they were written in a language other than English would not be a defence. This means that moderators will have to use a translation tool on any and every post made in another language to ensure that they are not libelous or do not otherwise infringe the rules of the site. If everyone decided to start making posts in random and obscure languages the site would become literally unmanageable I can manage in reading simple Welsh on a good day and I have a good Welsh dictionary at home if needs be. Don't ask me to speak any though, it's been a long time since my grandfather died. That isn't really the point though. How is (for example) your Finnish? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 23, 2018 12:27:58 GMT
While not disagreeing with your basic point, it might not be quite acceptable to call Welsh a "random and obscure" language. It is a mainstream language of these islands,and it was used briefly and the meaning was pretty clear even without having Welsh as a language, and it would have been pretty difficult to have libelled anyone in those few words.It has not often happened that somebody uses a language other than English in their actual posts,it is fairly common to link to a foreign language source where the same might apply. is a violent sex-maniac. It's not the number of words ,it's what they look like even in another language.There are 3 words in the above libellous statement which would probably stand out in almost any language you chose to use. Anyway, prove it. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jul 23, 2018 12:28:57 GMT
I can manage in reading simple Welsh on a good day and I have a good Welsh dictionary at home if needs be. Don't ask me to speak any though, it's been a long time since my grandfather died. That isn't really the point though. How is (for example) your Finnish? I used to be able to say please and thank you. However, it's been a very long time since I've been to Finland. However, the point is that I'm happy to accept postings in Welsh on the site. OK. |
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Jul 23, 2018 13:09:14 GMT
I would regard posting in anything other than the language which everyone speaks to be attention seeking, nothing more or less. I also carries the risk of being made to look a fool. I am always minded of the Irish Government which decreed that "Dear Sir" and "Yours faithfully" on all official letters had to be in Erse. One such letter was sent to an English ministry. They replied with "Dear Sir" and "Yours faithfully" in English, but the main text in Erse. The Irish had to ask for a translation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 17:12:58 GMT
Nothing wrong with typing in Welsh though maybe you should provide translation in italics or something. If people wish to post in languages other than English, that's their prerogative. I assume the fact that their insights will be available to only a tiny percentage of the UK population (0.4% in this case) is something they have taken into account. There's nothing wrong with speaking another language. This forum does have a rather odd prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 17:18:35 GMT
If people wish to post in languages other than English, that's their prerogative. I assume the fact that their insights will be available to only a tiny percentage of the UK population (0.4% in this case) is something they have taken into account. There's nothing wrong with speaking another language. This forum does have a rather odd prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language for some reason. I certainly don't - I have some Welsh ancestry, of which I'm quite proud. I thought I was simply making the rather obvious point that if you don't post in English, then only a minority of people will understand you. Welsh speakers are, if anything, slightly over-represented among regular posters on this forum, but they are still a tiny minority. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 17:45:31 GMT
There's nothing wrong with speaking another language. This forum does have a rather odd prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language for some reason. I certainly don't - I have some Welsh ancestry, of which I'm quite proud. I thought I was simply making the rather obvious point that if you don't post in English, then only a minority of people will understand you. Welsh speakers are, if anything, slightly over-represented among regular posters on this forum, but they are still a tiny minority. I did say to him that he should offer a translation. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 23, 2018 18:02:17 GMT
If people wish to post in languages other than English, that's their prerogative. I assume the fact that their insights will be available to only a tiny percentage of the UK population (0.4% in this case) is something they have taken into account. There's nothing wrong with speaking another language. This forum does have a rather odd prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language for some reason. I don’t have a prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language. I’m currently sitting in a pub with a Welsh name, in a village with a Welsh name. The beer is Welsh, but has an English name. But that doesn’t change the fact that when my train was announced at Cardiff Queen Street, the vast majority of people ignored the first announcement and waited for the useful announcement in English. |
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Post by obsie on Jul 23, 2018 18:10:43 GMT
I would regard posting in anything other than the language which everyone speaks to be attention seeking, nothing more or less. I also carries the risk of being made to look a fool. I am always minded of the Irish Government which decreed that "Dear Sir" and "Yours faithfully" on all official letters had to be in Erse. One such letter was sent to an English ministry. They replied with "Dear Sir" and "Yours faithfully" in English, but the main text in Erse. The Irish had to ask for a translation.If it was anything like last week's "translations" of the Chequers White Paper that wouldn't surprise me.
Má bhí sé cosúil leis na h-"aistriúcháin" a scaipeadh an tseachtain seo caite de Pháipéar Bán Chequers ní haon ionadh é sin.
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Jul 23, 2018 18:15:59 GMT
I would regard posting in anything other than the language which everyone speaks to be attention seeking, nothing more or less. I also carries the risk of being made to look a fool. I am always minded of the Irish Government which decreed that "Dear Sir" and "Yours faithfully" on all official letters had to be in Erse. One such letter was sent to an English ministry. They replied with "Dear Sir" and "Yours faithfully" in English, but the main text in Erse. The Irish had to ask for a translation.If it was anything like last week's "translations" of the Chequers White Paper that wouldn't surprise me. That was a bit of a stretch! |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 23, 2018 18:59:34 GMT
Yr wyf yn barod am yr ornest nesaf, a chofiwch y dôf o gyff ymladdgar.
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 23, 2018 19:05:08 GMT
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 23, 2018 19:21:32 GMT
Can we have a translation in Welsh please? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 23, 2018 19:33:41 GMT
Can we have a translation in Welsh please? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 23, 2018 20:08:50 GMT
There's nothing wrong with speaking another language. This forum does have a rather odd prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language for some reason. I don’t have a prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language. I’m currently sitting in a pub with a Welsh name, in a village with a Welsh name. The beer is Welsh, but has an English name. But that doesn’t change the fact that when my train was announced at Cardiff Queen Street, the vast majority of people ignored the first announcement and waited for the useful announcement in English. And long may it continue. Gives me a headstart securing a seat.  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 23, 2018 20:12:51 GMT
I don’t have a prejudicial attitude against the Welsh language. I’m currently sitting in a pub with a Welsh name, in a village with a Welsh name. The beer is Welsh, but has an English name. But that doesn’t change the fact that when my train was announced at Cardiff Queen Street, the vast majority of people ignored the first announcement and waited for the useful announcement in English. And long may it continue. Gives me a headstart securing a seat. I went for more beer in Trefforest. When the train back to Cardiff pulled in, the English announcement didn’t start until the train was in the platform drowning out the announcement. Why bother. |
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