Zimbabwe general election, 2018

[robert1]

The melee this afternoon between the riot police and .....whoever... including the world's press and Chamisa and his people happened at our hotel. Witnessed by several of the Commonwealth Observer Group.

[Andrew_S]

Aug 3, 2018 15:05:41 GMT robert1 said:

The melee this afternoon between the riot police and .....whoever... including the world's press and Chamisa and his people happened at our hotel. Witnessed by several of the Commonwealth Observer Group.

It's nice for the forum to have its own reporter on the scene in Zimbabwe. I hope there are no safety issues as far as you're concerned.

[mboy]

Yes... stay safe!

[robert1]

Thank you for your thoughts. Much appreciated. As they always say in these interviews ‘You see it on television but I never thought it would happen to me’.

[Khunanup]

Aug 3, 2018 16:11:25 GMT robert1 said:

Thank you for your thoughts. Much appreciated. As they always say in these interviews ‘You see it on television but I never thought it would happen to me’.

Are you just on holiday?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Try this. The 'Total' is the sum of the votes I heard when each province was announced, the 'Total as announced' is the one given by the ZEC in its national result.

Candidate	Party	Harare	Masvingo	Mashonaland East	Matabeleland South	Bulawayo	Matabeleland North	Mashonaland Central	Midlands	Manicaland	Mashonaland West	TOTAL	%	TOTAL AS ANNOUNCED
Mnangagwa, Emmerson Dambudzo	Zimbabwe Africa National Union – Patriotic Front	204,710	319,073	334,617	107,008	60,168	111,452	366,785	350,754	292,938	312,958	2,460,463	51.48	2,460,463	51.52
Chamisa, Nelson	MDC Alliance	548,889	171,196	189,024	90,292	144,107	137,611	97,097	255,059	296,429	217,722	2,147,426	44.93	2,147,436	44.97
Khupe, Thokozani	Movement for Democratic Change – T	3,019	3,017	2,296	4,698	5,753	12,776	1,557	4,664	4,793	3,000	45,573	0.95	45,573	0.95
Busha, Joseph Makamba	FreeZim Congress	1,007	2,508	1,681	1,216	497	1,401	1,480	2,774	2,759	2,253	17,576	0.37	17,556	0.37
Moyo, Nkosana Donald	Alliance for the People’s Agenda	1,577	1,708	1,166	1,060	1,350	1,419	907	1,988	2,508	1,540	15,223	0.32	15,223	0.32
Chikanga, Everisto Washington	Rebuild Zimbabwe	834	2,381	949	1,335	364	1,342	872	1,794	1,835	1,435	13,141	0.27	13,141	0.28
Mujuru, Joice Teurai Ropa	People's Rainbow Coalition	1,688	979	972	808	1,050	1,170	2,616	1,163	1,279	1,152	12,877	0.27	12,878	0.27
Hlabangani, Kwanele	Republicans Party of Zimbabwe	345	1,301	734	1,085	442	975	861	1,404	1,223	1,080	9,450	0.20	9,449	0.20
Kasiyamhuru, Blessing	Zimbabwe Partnership for Prosperity	652	810	590	480	320	765	383	1,077	1,027	918	7,022	0.15	7,022	0.15
Mugadza, William Tawonezvi	Bethel Christian Party	572	627	451	509	231	726	421	774	838	660	5,809	0.12	5,890	0.12
Hove, Mhambi Divine	National Alliance of Patriotic and Democratic Republicans	92	775	302	404	57	462	1,047	633	627	581	4,980	0.10	4,980	0.10
Wilson, Harry Peter	Democratic Opposition Party	170	857	366	461	129	570	447	667	659	572	4,898	0.10	4,898	0.10
Munyanduri, Tendai Peter	New Patriotic Front	219	798	330	429	133	412	413	658	594	544	4,530	0.09	4,529	0.09
Mutinhiri, Ambrose	National Patriotic Front	208	600	308	456	91	502	373	581	533	455	4,107	0.09	4,107	0.09
Shumba, Daniel	United Democratic Alliance	222	534	274	411	118	558	254	535	575	426	3,907	0.08	3,907	0.08
Gava, Mapfumo Peter	United Democratic Front	148	352	204	304	78	404	232	417	391	336	2,866	0.06	2,867	0.06
Mteki, Bryan Taurai	Independent	158	411	177	255	68	229	247	401	477	324	2,747	0.06	2,747	0.06
Madhuku, Lovemore	National Constitutional Assembly	303	335	218	249	81	261	150	335	548	259	2,739	0.06	2,738	0.06
Manyika, Noah Ngoni	Build Zimbabwe Alliance	611	289	186	222	104	227	139	400	237	263	2,678	0.06	2,678	0.06
Mangoma, Elton Steers	Coalition of Democrats	213	281	204	215	60	264	187	311	4,356	267	6,358	0.13	2,437	0.05
Dzapasi, Melbah	#1980 Freedom Movement Zimbabwe	147	217	194	170	94	221	151	262	241	202	1,899	0.04	1,899	0.04
Mariyacha, Violet	United Democracy Movement	89	158	105	209	65	267	110	222	247	201	1,673	0.04	1,673	0.04
Chiguvare, Tonderai Johannes Timothy	People’s Progressive Party	97	218	112	158	45	148	120	217	219	215	1,549	0.03	1,549	0.03
	TOTAL	765,970	509,425	535,460	212,434	215,405	274,162	476,849	627,090	615,333	547,363	4,779,491		4,775,640

[yellowperil]

Interesting to see these figures,and to see that the discrepancy between the two totals is so small that there is very little by way of decisive difference there.The difference between the MDC performance in its areas of strength and its apparent area of weakness is such that we could be getting a genuine misconception about how the country as a whole feels- looking at Zimbabwe purely from the point of view of Harare is maybe as misleading as looking at the UK purely from the point of view of London.

However,may it be that it is so much easier to bring traditional pressures to bear,to organise vote-rigging,to stuff ballot boxes, out in the remoter provinces than it is in the greater public gaze in places like Harare and Bulawayo ?

[Andrew_S]

The way to have inspired confidence in the result would have been for each individual polling station to publish its results (assuming that's where the votes were counted) and allowing anyone and everyone to add up the totals for themselves. It inevitably looks a bit suspicious if a central authority claims a monopoly on tallying the votes, especially when taking a number of days to do so.

citizen.co.za/news/news-africa/1991352/us-calls-for-release-of-all-zimbabwes-poll-data/

[johnloony]

Aug 4, 2018 13:01:55 GMT Andrew_S said:

The way to have inspired confidence in the result would have been for each individual polling station to publish its results (assuming that's where the votes were counted) and allowing anyone and everyone to add up the totals for themselves. It inevitably looks a bit suspicious if a central authority claims a monopoly on tallying the votes, especially when taking a number of days to do so.

citizen.co.za/news/news-africa/1991352/us-calls-for-release-of-all-zimbabwes-poll-data/

As I understand it, that is what is supposed to happen, but about 20% of the results are missing.

[CatholicLeft]

This is what has been happening since the world turned away...
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[The Bishop]

Aug 3, 2018 16:56:26 GMT Khunanup said:

Aug 3, 2018 16:11:25 GMT robert1 said:

Thank you for your thoughts. Much appreciated. As they always say in these interviews ‘You see it on television but I never thought it would happen to me’.

Are you just on holiday?

An observer, I think?

[robert1]

David-I am currently having difficulties with the ZEC website. Could you please confirm, from where you got those figures?

Many thanks.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Aug 7, 2018 9:16:48 GMT robert1 said:

David-I am currently having difficulties with the ZEC website. Could you please confirm, from where you got those figures?

I listened to a webcast of the news conference where they read them out.

[nelson]

"Britain insisted on a “watered down” version of a joint statement that condemned “the eruption of violence” after last week’s Zimbabwean elections but stopped short of describing it as excessive or disproportionate, sources familiar with the negotiations have told The Times."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-accused-of-watering-down-army-s-role-in-zimbabwe-riots-b0xmsxsmt

[mboy]

To be fair, it was probably the most peaceful Zimbabwe election in generations, and one of the most peaceful African elections in recent time - IIRC only 3 people died? Probably less than die in bar-brawls in a typical Harare district on a Friday night...

[robert1]

Picking up on mboy’s comment firstly-there were either 6 or 7 people killed depending on which deaths are included. Such a tragedy that these should have occurred after a peaceful Election Day.

There is an excellent article in this week’s House magazine written by Baroness Jay about our experiences in Zim during the election and beyond. (the one error is in the spelling of my surname! LOL) I hope one of the IT experts on here can provide a link to the article before I can. (If no-one does I will try to post it during the recess)

I hope and pray for progress in Zimbabwe. A highly literate country with such potential and 90% unemployment. The reshuffle this week indicates potential progress.

[Georg Ebner]

Sept 12, 2018 13:31:41 GMT robert1 said:

I hope and pray for progress in Zimbabwe. A highly literate country with such potential and 90% unemployment. The reshuffle this week indicates potential progress.

A Conservative hoping&praying for "progress"...

(But i am aware, that Conservatives are nowadays far too often pro technology and modernization, whereas left Greens are against.)

[greenchristian]

Sept 12, 2018 16:21:45 GMT Georg Ebner said:

(But i am aware, that Conservatives are nowadays far too often pro technology and modernization, whereas left Greens are against.)

Um, what?!

[Georg Ebner]

Sept 12, 2018 18:46:32 GMT greenchristian said:

Sept 12, 2018 16:21:45 GMT Georg Ebner said:

(But i am aware, that Conservatives are nowadays far too often pro technology and modernization, whereas left Greens are against.)

Um, what?!

Most Greens are doubtlessly hyper-modern, want to replace technics with more technics (cf. the high number of green LaborRats), try to reduce mankind to external structures; but few of them intend a real metanoia. "The New Left consists of misguided reactionaries." (GOMEZ DAVILA)

[greenchristian]

Sept 12, 2018 20:38:27 GMT Georg Ebner said:

Sept 12, 2018 18:46:32 GMT greenchristian said:

Um, what?!

Most Greens are doubtlessly hyper-modern, want to replace technics with more technics (cf. the high number of green LaborRats), try to reduce mankind to external structures; but few of them intend a real metanoia. "The New Left consists of misguided reactionaries." (GOMEZ DAVILA)

That seems to be the opposite of what you originally said, leaving me even more confused.