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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 14, 2024 8:43:01 GMT
Amazing how little media coverage Mullooly's election is getting in Ireland, given that it's a pretty sensational result for II.
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Post by relique on Jun 14, 2024 8:43:24 GMT
Final Results: FG - EPP - 4 FF - RE - 4 SF - Left - 2 II - ECR - 1 Lab - S&D - 1 Flanagan - Left - 1 McNamara - Unknown - 1 That's FF +2, SF +1, II +1, Lab +1, Ind +1, FG -1, I4C -2, Greens -2 |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 14, 2024 9:15:17 GMT
Rather pretty:-
FG stronger in the South but only one seat to FF's two. Position reversed in the North.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 9:16:16 GMT
Amazing how little media coverage Mullooly's election is getting in Ireland, given that it's a pretty sensational result for II. They also performed well in the local elections. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 14, 2024 9:24:46 GMT
Amazing how little media coverage Mullooly's election is getting in Ireland, given that it's a pretty sensational result for II. They also performed well in the local elections. Yes - same number of councillors as the Greens, and more than PBP-SOL and Aontú combined, and yet they're subsumed under "Others" on all results pages. Looks like the media somewhat underestimated them. |
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Post by greyfriar on Jun 14, 2024 12:08:29 GMT
Final Results: FG - EPP - 4 FF - RE - 4 SF - Left - 2 II - ECR - 1 Lab - S&D - 1 Flanagan - Left - 1 McNamara - Unknown - 1 I don’t follow Irish politics particularly closely so can anyone explain why Sinn Fein have dropped off so much from their previous high in polls? Matters pertaining to immigration have had more cut through given the emergence of tent cities in central Dublin and they had previously espoused the most liberal open borders approach. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 14, 2024 15:35:16 GMT
There have been hints of annoyance in Brussels about the length of the Irish EE count:-
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2024 16:32:19 GMT
There have been hints of annoyance in Brussels about the length of the Irish EE count:- Perhaps Ireland should invade and annexe the rest of the EU and force them to do European elections by STV too. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 14, 2024 16:38:17 GMT
There have been hints of annoyance in Brussels about the length of the Irish EE count:- The solution – and this is the Liberal Democrat in me talking – is to print the ballot as two columns when required. Both sides should be happy. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 14, 2024 16:43:50 GMT
There have been hints of annoyance in Brussels about the length of the Irish EE count:- The solution – and this is the Liberal Democrat in me talking – is to print the ballot as two columns when required. Both sides should be happy. A possibility that they're nudged into adopting a list system next time. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 14, 2024 16:46:54 GMT
The solution – and this is the Liberal Democrat in me talking – is to print the ballot as two columns when required. Both sides should be happy. A possibility that they're nudged into adopting a list system next time. I hope not. I'm an EUfile, Rejoin loving liberal, as well we all know, and I'd rather each country does what it sees fit for the elections. Ireland might have to invest in counting machines for next time, I'll say that. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 14, 2024 16:58:13 GMT
A possibility that they're nudged into adopting a list system next time. I hope not. I'm an EUfile, Rejoin loving liberal, as well we all know, and I'd rather each country does what it sees fit for the elections. Ireland might have to invest in counting machines for next time, I'll say that. Common electoral system with pan national lists? STV isn't that popular with Irish politicians and hence there won't be many prepared to die in ditch for its retention at EEs. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 14, 2024 17:16:42 GMT
I hope not. I'm an EUfile, Rejoin loving liberal, as well we all know, and I'd rather each country does what it sees fit for the elections. Ireland might have to invest in counting machines for next time, I'll say that. Common electoral system with pan national lists? STV isn't that popular with Irish politicians and hence there won't be many prepared to die in ditch for its retention at EEs. Fair. Imposition is the enemy of compromise, let them find common ground  |
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Post by greyfriar on Jun 14, 2024 17:36:00 GMT
There have been hints of annoyance in Brussels about the length of the Irish EE count:- It has been a bit protracted and similar to Trump v. Biden the voting and count arrangements depart so far from our Victorian norms and safeguards of transparency, it doesn’t take much in the way of skepticism to undermine confidence, especially if a tight outcome. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 14, 2024 17:47:12 GMT
A possibility that they're nudged into adopting a list system next time. I hope not. I'm an EUfile, Rejoin loving liberal, as well we all know, and I'd rather each country does what it sees fit for the elections. Ireland might have to invest in counting machines for next time, I'll say that. Did you say that when PR was imposed on the UK for European elections? |
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Post by xenon on Jun 14, 2024 17:57:10 GMT
I don't know why Ireland don't use electronic counting like Scottish local elections – would reduce the week-long marathon to a day or two at most. This would also let them use the fairer Gregory counting method instead of the random sampling method (which while probably fine for the Euro elections given the large sample sizes, could probably affect a handful of local results even if papers are mixed thoroughly).
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 14, 2024 18:02:50 GMT
I don't know why Ireland don't use electronic counting like Scottish local elections – would reduce the week-long marathon to a day or two at most. This would also let them use the fairer Gregory counting method instead of the random sampling method (which while probably fine for the Euro elections given the large sample sizes, could probably affect a handful of local results even if papers are mixed thoroughly). Wait, please no, are you telling me they reallocate transfers not by counting the votes but by taking a random sample of a few ballots and aggregating |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 18:07:40 GMT
I don't know why Ireland don't use electronic counting like Scottish local elections – would reduce the week-long marathon to a day or two at most. This would also let them use the fairer Gregory counting method instead of the random sampling method (which while probably fine for the Euro elections given the large sample sizes, could probably affect a handful of local results even if papers are mixed thoroughly). Wait, please no, are you telling me they reallocate transfers not by counting the votes but by taking a random sample of a few ballots and aggregating WTF 😭😭😭 |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2024 18:24:12 GMT
I don't know why Ireland don't use electronic counting like Scottish local elections – would reduce the week-long marathon to a day or two at most. This would also let them use the fairer Gregory counting method instead of the random sampling method (which while probably fine for the Euro elections given the large sample sizes, could probably affect a handful of local results even if papers are mixed thoroughly). Wait, please no, are you telling me they reallocate transfers not by counting the votes but by taking a random sample of a few ballots and aggregating In the Republic of Ireland, when a candidate has a surplus, they sort them according to the next available preference, and take a random sample from each sub-total, and then transfer those. So if a candidate has 100 votes, and the quota is 80, then they transfer 20 whole votes rather than transferring 100 votes at a value of 0.20. . If candidate A’s 100 votes have 30 with a 2nd preference for candidate B, they take a random sample of 6 out of the pile of 30. If there is a recount, they keep the same random samples throughout rather than starting again. I don’t know what the legal definition is of the mechanism whereby they are supposed to take a ramdomised sample, or whether there is any case law on the subject. |
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Post by cathyc on Jun 14, 2024 18:27:56 GMT
I hope not. I'm an EUfile, Rejoin loving liberal, as well we all know, and I'd rather each country does what it sees fit for the elections. Ireland might have to invest in counting machines for next time, I'll say that. Did you say that when PR was imposed on the UK for European elections? It wasn't imposed. |
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