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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 14, 2019 16:55:04 GMT
I'm back in Sweden now and plugged into the system a bit more. The vote on Löfven has been postponed by the speaker until Friday. V have been throwing their toys out of the pram at the idea of a S-MP-L-C coalition and have vowed to vote down Löfven as PM if he sticks with C and L. Fuck 'em. Scumbags. |
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Post by WJ on Jan 14, 2019 23:14:26 GMT
I'm back in Sweden now and plugged into the system a bit more. The vote on Löfven has been postponed by the speaker until Friday. V have been throwing their toys out of the pram at the idea of a S-MP-L-C coalition and have vowed to vote down Löfven as PM if he sticks with C and L. Fuck 'em. Scumbags. If only they could be ignored. If V do vote against rather than abstain then the we will almost certainly be heading for fresh elections. V will be fine with that as they've not had to make compromises yet. I get the impression that voters are getting a little tired of C and L swinging both ways which is a shame, as for better or for worse they're being the most pragmatic during the whole saga. I'm not really basing that on any real data, just a gut feeling. So take it with a large pinch of salt. If we have fresh elections, MP,L and probably KD should feel scared of dropping out and C should feel worried about a drop in votes. |
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Post by jamie on Jan 14, 2019 23:31:20 GMT
In V's defence, the new government essentially treats them as a doormat. The agreement explicitly says they will be ignored and the economic policies the government would implement would be center-right. It's not particularly egregious for them to be upset and demand concessions for support.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 15, 2019 9:09:54 GMT
In V's defence, the new government essentially treats them as a doormat. The agreement explicitly says they will be ignored and the economic policies the government would implement would be center-right. It's not particularly egregious for them to be upset and demand concessions for support. Good. V are long-time apologists for all sorts of undemocratic and totalitarian guff, and it amuses me greatly to see democracy bite them back. |
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Post by nelson on Jan 16, 2019 10:33:59 GMT
The Left Party has agreed to abstain in the Prime Minister vote on Friday, which means Stefan Löfven will be elected.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 17, 2019 4:46:17 GMT
The Left Party has agreed to abstain in the Prime Minister vote on Friday, which means Stefan Löfven will be elected. What means Family-ReUnification, demanded by MP, C and L. Does anyone know, what the Liberals intend with the "nationalisation" of the education system? Apparently not abolishing the private schools; perhaps a federal SuperVision instead of a local/regional one? |
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Post by WJ on Jan 18, 2019 10:21:38 GMT
We have a government!
115 voted yes (S and MP)
153 voted no (M, KD, SD)
77 abstained (C, L, V)
In addition a C politician (Helena Lindahl) voted no. I expect that she will be someone to watch in the party in the coming years if this coalition goes pear shaped.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 18, 2019 10:42:15 GMT
How the hell does that work?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 18, 2019 10:56:31 GMT
How the hell does that work? At a guess, and going off what was said earlier, C and L must be promising confidence in some form. But it's bloody weird. It must be expected to work a bit like the Lokke-Rasmussen government in Denmark did after the 2015 election. At any rate, a minority government offering more of the same is surely unlikely to last, especially when C or L start seeing their own position in the polls under threat. |
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Post by WJ on Jan 18, 2019 13:20:01 GMT
How the hell does that work? Sweden has a negative parliamentary system, so as long as there isn't a majority voting against something then it will pass |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 18, 2019 13:26:24 GMT
Even though more voted against than for? They're a weird lot aren't they..  |
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Post by mboy on Jan 18, 2019 13:39:53 GMT
It makes no sense!  So if a single MP proposes something and only 49% oppose, and 50% abstain, it passes? ? ? |
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Post by maxque on Jan 18, 2019 15:15:18 GMT
Yes. In negative parlimentary systems, Abstain is pretty much the same as Yes.
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Post by mboy on Jan 18, 2019 15:42:59 GMT
What's the perceived benefit of such systems?
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Post by maxque on Jan 18, 2019 15:49:23 GMT
What's the perceived benefit of such systems? Makes the government more stable (as you need a majority to throw them or their ideas out). It also allows passive support of a government. Portugal have it, too. |
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Post by nelson on Jan 22, 2019 11:43:28 GMT
It makes no sense! So if a single MP proposes something and only 49% oppose, and 50% abstain, it passes? ? ? It only applies to PM votes. |
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