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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 14, 2018 14:47:48 GMT
My guess is that they'll not form a pact with the left parties either. My suspicion is that Lööf smells blood in the water and will tank the next round of negotiations that will presumably be lead by S. I think she's angling to be PM with tacit support from M and S. Dangerous game. Ah, the Craxi Gambit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:41:23 GMT
My guess is that they'll not form a pact with the left parties either. My suspicion is that Lööf smells blood in the water and will tank the next round of negotiations that will presumably be lead by S. I think she's angling to be PM with tacit support from M and S. Dangerous game. A government made up of a MicroParty at 5-10% - that would be a new record. (Or was there a short-living cabinet in Norway of the ChristDemocrats [under Bondevig]?) Sort of, though the parliamentary arithmetic after the 1997 Norwegian election was Labour 65, Progress 25, Christian 25, Conservative 23, Centre 11, Socialist 9, Liberal 6. It was a Christian-Centre-Liberal coalition with confidence and supply from Progress and the Conservatives. |
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Post by hedgehog on Nov 14, 2018 23:30:56 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 15, 2018 11:04:23 GMT
Not the only country to operate like that. I don't like that at all.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 15, 2018 14:32:35 GMT
Amusingly, there is an Italian state visit to Sweden taking place at the moment. Mattarella doesn't have a PM to meet up with! Another article on Sweden's non-secret voting system: "In Sweden it takes an extra effort to keep your vote secret, compared to many other countries, and now the European Commission is asking the Swedish government to comment on Swedish election praxis.If they are to clamp down on this in Sweden, they are going to have to stop the French and Spanish from doing it as well. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 15, 2018 15:45:32 GMT
Another article on Sweden's non-secret voting system: If you really want to make sure no one sees who you vote for you have to literally take slips from all the parties - and there can be dozens. This includes at least eight major parties and many small radical, joke or single issue Not sticking up for the system, but this point is not true. You do not literally have to take slips from all the parties. A selection of 4 or so would be sufficient to mask who you vote for sufficiently... |
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Post by WJ on Nov 15, 2018 17:27:31 GMT
Lööf is given a chance to form a government. If she can't do it then we will be heading to fresh elections.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 15, 2018 17:32:58 GMT
Lööf is given a chance to form a government. If she can't do it then we will be heading to fresh elections. If you support the Centre party does this make you a Loofah?
I'll get my sponge.
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Post by WJ on Nov 15, 2018 17:34:41 GMT
Lööf is given a chance to form a government. If she can't do it then we will be heading to fresh elections. If you support the Centre party does this make you a Loofah?
I'll get my sponge.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 15, 2018 17:44:26 GMT
If you support the Centre party does this make you a Loofah?
I'll get my sponge.
No need, we all Lööf a good pun Loof is in the air?
Does she stand any chance of getting a coalition together?
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Post by WJ on Nov 15, 2018 20:07:23 GMT
No need, we all Lööf a good pun Loof is in the air?
Does she stand any chance of getting a coalition together?
As to that, I don't know. Sjöstedt (V) has been making some noise, complaining that she's been tanking all other attempts to form a government and he's not happy that she's lumped his party with the SD as "extremists". As far as he's concerned C and L are the extremists because they are bourgeoisie capitalists. But at the same time he's said that he recognises that C and V are cooperating together in many municipalities and he can see them working together in government too (as long as S are also involved and Löfven is PM). That's a big concession from him as V wouldn't countenance any collaboration with Alliance members a few months ago. Whether Lööf will agree is another matter entirely. My guess is that he knows she'll say no and that this round is doomed anyway therefore he's trying to sound a little more flexible before the next campaign. |
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Post by WJ on Nov 15, 2018 21:25:46 GMT
Not sticking up for the system, but this point is not true. You do not literally have to take slips from all the parties. A selection of 4 or so would be sufficient to mask who you vote for sufficiently... That's true but it's a bit of a long-winded way of ensuring the secrecy of your vote, to have to pick up multiple papers. Most people are not going to bother doing it. This is a nation of people who are militant about conforming to the rules. I can assure you that most people do bother. When I was queuing to cast my ballot every single person diligently picked up a ballot for each party for all three votes. The only other place where I've witnessed voting by the same method was during the Catalonia regional election last year. Apparently in Spain there's a pride in picking a ballot card publicly |
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 15, 2018 21:49:24 GMT
Not sticking up for the system, but this point is not true. You do not literally have to take slips from all the parties. A selection of 4 or so would be sufficient to mask who you vote for sufficiently... That's true but it's a bit of a long-winded way of ensuring the secrecy of your vote, to have to pick up multiple papers. Most people are not going to bother doing it. Having witnessed voting for French presidential elections using a similar method, I'd say that most people did take a selection. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 23:26:24 GMT
It's still not as daft as Argentina, where political parties print their own ballot papers, with all their candidates for multiple elections taking place on the same day printed on the same ballot paper. If you want to split your ticket, you have to cut the ballot papers up with scissors in the polling booth.
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Post by WJ on Nov 16, 2018 13:43:12 GMT
Some Sentio polling from last week (sampling: 1-7 Nov) shows MP and L both crashing out of parliament.
S: 28.1
M: 18.6
SD: 20.2
C: 9.3
V: 9.3
KD: 5.3
L: 3.3
MP: 3.8
others: 1.7
2018 election, for comparison:
S: 28.3
M: 19.8
SD: 17.5
C: 8.6
V: 8.0
KD: 63
L: 5.5
MP: 4.4
others: 1.5
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 20, 2018 19:24:28 GMT
Strange situation in Sweden in some respects, because 82% didn't vote for the Swedish Democrats and the majority of voters did vote for fairly centrist parties of one type or another — yet they don't seem to be able to get together to form a government. It shouldn't be all that difficult to put together a coalition that doesn't involve either the SDs or the Left Party. The heart of it is that the Moderates and Social Democrats hate each other so much that a grand coalition is almost impossible. Which is based on history. Such a coalition would be perfectly normal in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium...all of which have comparatively similar, non-adversarial systems. |
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Post by WJ on Nov 21, 2018 7:35:41 GMT
The heart of it is that the Moderates and Social Democrats hate each other so much that a grand coalition is almost impossible. Which is based on history. Such a coalition would be perfectly normal in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium...all of which have comparatively similar, non-adversarial systems. Do they really hate each other so much that they're prepared to have another election at which the SDs could win even more seats? I think all the mainstream parties are waiting for the others to blink first, but with typical Swedish complacency, none of them have and now they find themselves on the brink. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 21, 2018 11:43:35 GMT
The heart of it is that the Moderates and Social Democrats hate each other so much that a grand coalition is almost impossible. Which is based on history. Such a coalition would be perfectly normal in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium...all of which have comparatively similar, non-adversarial systems. Do they really hate each other so much that they're prepared to have another election at which the SDs could win even more seats? Very possibly. Plus they may also see the last result as showing the SDs are a bit of a paper tiger. |
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Post by Antiochian on Nov 23, 2018 16:03:50 GMT
Do they really hate each other so much that they're prepared to have another election at which the SDs could win even more seats? Very possibly. Plus they may also see the last result as showing the SDs are a bit of a paper tiger. What part of the poll upthread shows SD as a paper tiger? |
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 23, 2018 16:32:21 GMT
Very possibly. Plus they may also see the last result as showing the SDs are a bit of a paper tiger. What part of the poll upthread shows SD as a paper tiger? The part where a terribly small, foreign sample fails to represent the political landscape of Sweden in any adequate way. |
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