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Post by Antiochian on Nov 23, 2018 16:59:30 GMT
What part of the poll upthread shows SD as a paper tiger? The part where a terribly small, foreign sample fails to represent the political landscape of Sweden in any adequate way. The political landscape of Sweden these days looks like Berlin 1945. What's "foreign" about the sample? They only asked people in Rwanda who they'd vote for?? |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 23, 2018 17:46:16 GMT
The part where a terribly small, foreign sample fails to represent the political landscape of Sweden in any adequate way. What's "foreign" about the sample? They only asked people in Rwanda who they'd vote for?? You mean a tiny bunch of Nazis are committing suicide in a bunker, while vast communist forces advance on all fronts? Blimey, I didn't see that coming. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 23, 2018 17:54:47 GMT
The political landscape of Sweden these days looks like Berlin 1945. What's "foreign" about the sample? They only asked people in Rwanda who they'd vote for?? You mean a tiny bunch of Nazis are committing suicide in a bunker, while vast communist forces advance on all fronts? Blimey, I didn't see that coming. I suspect he's implying that it's more like a bunch of disparate parties who don't have a bloody clue who is friend or foe. Arguably it's more like Berlin 1912- the main left-wing party and main right-wing party won't work together formally but will work together informally against a party they don't agree with. End result- nobody gets what they want because of the egos. |
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Post by Antiochian on Nov 24, 2018 13:52:28 GMT
The political landscape of Sweden these days looks like Berlin 1945. What's "foreign" about the sample? They only asked people in Rwanda who they'd vote for?? You mean a tiny bunch of Nazis are committing suicide in a bunker, while vast communist forces advance on all fronts? Blimey, I didn't see that coming. Ho, ho.... referring to devastated landscape, no direction or government... like Berlin 1945... Warsaw 1944, Hiroshima 1945.... metaphors seem to elude your crowd unless being used by your crowd... Avoided the issue on why the sample was "foreign"... |
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Post by Party Fears Two on Nov 24, 2018 15:28:36 GMT
You mean a tiny bunch of Nazis are committing suicide in a bunker, while vast communist forces advance on all fronts? Blimey, I didn't see that coming. Ho, ho.... referring to devastated landscape, no direction or government... like Berlin 1945... Warsaw 1944, Hiroshima 1945.... metaphors seem to elude your crowd unless being used by your crowd... Avoided the issue on why the sample was "foreign"... Isn't likening the current political deadlock in Sweden to devastated apocalyptic social collapse following world war , famine, starvation, genocide and nuclear obliteration a tad fruity?
Not even sure that Berlin 1912 is quite the same, even if on paper the left/right block co-operating looks similar.
I would have thought that a more rational comparison might be the Belgian political stalemate earlier this decade following an inconclusive general election that ended in months of wrangling to form a government there. Not a dramatic comparison, but the broad political landscape stays unchanged, while the country's economy continues broadly unaffected by the the political stasis.
Unlike the looming threat of a No-deal Brexit, which will have far greater economic and political upheaval on Britain than the Swedish economy being affected by their political gridlock. |
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Post by Antiochian on Nov 24, 2018 17:02:56 GMT
Ho, ho.... referring to devastated landscape, no direction or government... like Berlin 1945... Warsaw 1944, Hiroshima 1945.... metaphors seem to elude your crowd unless being used by your crowd... Avoided the issue on why the sample was "foreign"... Isn't likening the current political deadlock in Sweden to devastated apocalyptic social collapse following world war , famine, starvation, genocide and nuclear obliteration a tad fruity?
Not even sure that Berlin 1912 is quite the same, even if on paper the left/right block co-operating looks similar.
I would have thought that a more rational comparison might be the Belgian political stalemate earlier this decade following an inconclusive general election that ended in months of wrangling to form a government there. Not a dramatic comparison, but the broad political landscape stays unchanged, while the country's economy continues broadly unaffected by the the political stasis.
Unlike the looming threat of a No-deal Brexit, which will have far greater economic and political upheaval on Britain than the Swedish economy being affected by their political gridlock. Not exactly a rose garden : For the four months since July 1, car sales in Sweden are down 33%. You are still speculating like your Project Fear brethren on the implications of Brexit. So far with record employment and now rising wages it remains (more two years on) merely a hoped-for dream for Remainers. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 26, 2018 14:52:26 GMT
Very possibly. Plus they may also see the last result as showing the SDs are a bit of a paper tiger. What part of the poll upthread shows SD as a paper tiger? Are we talking about the same polls that regularly overstated SD support before the last election? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 26, 2018 15:08:20 GMT
Interesting, but exceptionally flawed. |
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Post by mboy on Nov 26, 2018 15:43:23 GMT
What part of the poll upthread shows SD as a paper tiger? Are we talking about the same polls that regularly overstated SD support before the last election? Only a couple of the poll companies overstated SD. The others were pretty much bang on. |
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Post by markgoodair on Dec 10, 2018 11:19:35 GMT
The Centre Party have said that they will vote against the nomination of Stefan Lofven as Prime Minister.
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Post by WJ on Dec 10, 2018 12:15:39 GMT
The Centre Party have said that they will vote against the nomination of Stefan Lofven as Prime Minister. Lööf said that she doesn't want either SD or V to have an influence on government policy and that Löfven hasn't wanted or orkat (This doesn't translate well to English, but something like "have the energy too") prioritise C's demands over V's. In addition C and L will vote down the Löfven budget, meaning that Kristersson's budget will be probably passed, regardless of who actually gets into government. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 10, 2018 12:37:32 GMT
The Centre Party have said that they will vote against the nomination of Stefan Lofven as Prime Minister. Lööf said that she doesn't want either SD or V to have an influence on government policy and that Löfven hasn't wanted or orkat (This doesn't translate well to English, but something like "have the energy too") prioritise C's demands over V's. In addition C and L will vote down the Löfven budget, meaning that Kristersson's budget will be probably passed, regardless of who actually gets into government. On Venstre- I recently found out that their predecessor party welcomed the Nazi invasion of Norway as a "setback for British imperialism" and were simultaneously cheerleaders for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the invasion of Poland. Like any good communist party of the era, they of course changed their tune on Sunday 22nd June 1941. |
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Post by WJ on Dec 12, 2018 20:41:05 GMT
As expected, the M and KD budget passed, with support from SD
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Post by WJ on Dec 14, 2018 7:18:09 GMT
Not much different to Spain where Sanchez kept Rajoy's budget until it was up for renewal. Tbh, the budget is the least of his troubles. He won't make it into government if C and L vote against him rather than abstaining. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 14, 2018 17:13:02 GMT
This is likely to benefit the SDs, and the new numbers will therefore like be even more difficult to form a government. Have Swedish MPs been taking advice from the ERG on how to behave?
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Post by johnloony on Dec 14, 2018 19:57:34 GMT
..."Parliament voted 200 to 116 ... Ho ho |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 14, 2018 20:03:55 GMT
This is likely to benefit the SDs, and the new numbers will therefore like be even more difficult to form a government. Have Swedish MPs been taking advice from the ERG on how to behave? I suspect the numbers won't even change that much. The last election squeezed all the non-Riksdag parties badly (FI, to my great amusement) and AfS proved to be a busted flush. That said, what if SAP and V put the squeeze on the Greens, and the Liberal/Christian Democrat vote coalesces around the larger parties? Suddenly we could have up to three parties drop out of the Riksdag. |
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Post by WJ on Dec 14, 2018 20:50:59 GMT
This is likely to benefit the SDs, and the new numbers will therefore like be even more difficult to form a government. Have Swedish MPs been taking advice from the ERG on how to behave? I suspect the numbers won't even change that much. The last election squeezed all the non-Riksdag parties badly (FI, to my great amusement) and AfS proved to be a busted flush. That said, what if SAP and V put the squeeze on the Greens, and the Liberal/Christian Democrat vote coalesces around the larger parties? Suddenly we could have up to three parties drop out of the Riksdag. The expectation is that MP and L will drop out this time. KD are probably on borrowed time too, but they have a knack for staying just above the threshold, so that's anyone's guess. I can also see that C could also feel the squeeze unfortunately. Though maybe enough M voters will be turned off by their overtures towards SD to negate the changes. I don't see V picking up many votes, I could even see them sliding back slightly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 21:10:53 GMT
I suspect the numbers won't even change that much. The last election squeezed all the non-Riksdag parties badly (FI, to my great amusement) and AfS proved to be a busted flush. That said, what if SAP and V put the squeeze on the Greens, and the Liberal/Christian Democrat vote coalesces around the larger parties? Suddenly we could have up to three parties drop out of the Riksdag. The expectation is that MP and L will drop out this time. KD are probably on borrowed time too, but they have a knack for staying just above the threshold, so that's anyone's guess. I can also see that C could also feel the squeeze unfortunately. Though maybe enough M voters will be turned off by their overtures towards SD to negate the changes. I don't see V picking up many votes, I could even see them sliding back slightly. Any chance of a few S voters switching to MP in a desperate attempt to keep them above the threshold? Or M voters switching to L or KD for the same reason? |
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Post by WJ on Dec 14, 2018 21:18:41 GMT
The expectation is that MP and L will drop out this time. KD are probably on borrowed time too, but they have a knack for staying just above the threshold, so that's anyone's guess. I can also see that C could also feel the squeeze unfortunately. Though maybe enough M voters will be turned off by their overtures towards SD to negate the changes. I don't see V picking up many votes, I could even see them sliding back slightly. Any chance of a few S voters switching to MP in a desperate attempt to keep them above the threshold? Or M voters switching to L or KD for the same reason? It's possible, but I think all the people who were going to do that have done it already. Don't forget that before the September election there was a lot of talk about KD and MP dropping out then so I think they are at their ceiling. In fact, I think that all the small parties will stay static or will go back as voters turn to the big ones. The only question mark I have is over C. I could imagine that small-L liberal voters will coalesce around them, mostly coming from L and M. I'm sorry about L, but I don't think there's room these days for two liberal parties in Sweden, which is a great pity. |
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