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Post by thetop on Feb 16, 2018 12:19:48 GMT
Indeed. Now Doncaster has been confirmed, NE Derbyshire and Lancs CC were the only two disappointing results from over a dozen by-elections - I don't think that justifies a conclusion of a poor night for Labour (as you say, these were hardly fertile territory). We leapfrogged you in Carterton as well. Did you expect that? No, I believed Labour's struggle to make it 10% there clearly set us up to be unrivalled. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 12:21:33 GMT
North Norfolk was a Labour-held seat from 1945 - 1970. Admittedly there has been massive demographic change there over the intervening years. and metaphorically? |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 16, 2018 12:23:25 GMT
Well, I was certainly expecting this one to be just a *bit* closer than that. Was fielding just one non-Labour candidate accident or design, I wonder? |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 12:28:57 GMT
Well, I was certainly expecting this one to be just a *bit* closer than that. Was fielding just one non-Labour candidate accident or design, I wonder? In Doncaster they are pretty much the same thing. No party has been strong enough to challenge labour across the whole authority for a while so the baton has sort of passed from Lib Dems to Indies to English Democrats and back again. i don't regard this as a good thing, but you can't force people to stand and under the current system happens in places across the country. |
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Post by justin124 on Feb 16, 2018 12:32:10 GMT
North Norfolk was a Labour-held seat from 1945 - 1970. Admittedly there has been massive demographic change there over the intervening years. 1970 was literally years ago. Liverpool used to have a majority of Tory seats. It's obvious Labour is not in contention in either of these constituencies The underlying Labour vote there is still quite substantial - now hidden by tactical voting in support of Norman Lamb to keep the Tories out. Back in the 1990s the LibDems and Labour were very close for second and third place in the seat. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 16, 2018 12:38:38 GMT
We leapfrogged you in Carterton as well. Did you expect that? No, I believed Labour's struggle to make it 10% there clearly set us up to be unrivalled. While it's not obvious Labour territory (although if the squaddies actually turned out to vote, who knows ...), the Lib Dems are supposed to be a party that's dead and buried, not bouncing back. It looks like the truth is different from the propaganda. Who knew. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 12:46:14 GMT
No, I believed Labour's struggle to make it 10% there clearly set us up to be unrivalled. While it's not obvious Labour territory (although if the squaddies actually turned out to vote, who knows ...), the Lib Dems are supposed to be a party that's dead and buried, not bouncing back. It looks like the truth is different from the propaganda. Who knew.Most people on here, as we follow council by election results.  |
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Post by thetop on Feb 16, 2018 12:49:19 GMT
Yeah, I don't think it's quite the surprise you're making it out to be that the Lib Dems are capable of gaining council seats.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 16, 2018 12:53:25 GMT
Improved local performance is a prerequisite for any LibDem revival at national level, but not sufficient in itself.
And lets see how they do at nationwide local elections in May, when they will be less able to "bus" people into target seats.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 16, 2018 13:04:58 GMT
Yeah, I don't think it's quite the surprise you're making it out to be that the Lib Dems are capable of gaining council seats. Sure, we're in the know. It's the national messages pushed out to the general public that haven't caught up. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 16, 2018 13:18:44 GMT
Yeah, I don't think it's quite the surprise you're making it out to be that the Lib Dems are capable of gaining council seats finishing nearly 40% behind the winning candidate. FTFY |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:23:53 GMT
The Lib Dems have always done well locally. They've had some bad years but growing up with a Lib Dem council you know the Lib Dems are never really dead
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 16, 2018 13:35:58 GMT
Yeah, I don't think it's quite the surprise you're making it out to be that the Lib Dems are capable of gaining council seats finishing nearly 40% behind the winning candidate. FTFY I'll take that over finishing 55% behind, as per last time  . |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Feb 16, 2018 14:07:29 GMT
They're just not Labourland. Now there's a theme park I have no wish to visit! |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 14:16:38 GMT
They're just not Labourland. Now there's a theme park I have no wish to visit! the roller coasters have tremendous momentum so i'm told..... |
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Post by thetop on Feb 16, 2018 14:26:36 GMT
Now there's a theme park I have no wish to visit! the roller coasters have tremendous momentum so i'm told..... I've heard their candy floss is deepest red - none of that pink and blue rubbish... |
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Feb 16, 2018 14:28:09 GMT
the roller coasters have tremendous momentum so i'm told..... I've heard their candy floss is deepest red - none of that pink and blue rubbish... sadly though, if you are not (Labour) first in the queue progress is rather slow.... |
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Post by afleitch on Feb 16, 2018 14:38:19 GMT
For fun, Baxters projected general election figures for all wards in England contested yesterday was;
CON 48.6
LAB 39.5
LIB 8.1
UKIP 1.7
GRN 1.0
Yesterday;
CON 31.8
LAB 31.9
LIB 26.6
UKIP 1.9
GRN 1.7
For wards where the main three parties contested it was a little different (2017 general election in brackets);
CON 37.6 (53.9)
LAB 28.1 (34.1)
LIB 25.9 (8.2)
So Tories down 16.3, Labour down 6 and the Lib Dems up 17.7.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 16, 2018 15:19:43 GMT
For fun, Baxters projected general election figures for all wards in England contested yesterday was; CON 48.6 LAB 39.5 LIB 8.1 UKIP 1.7 GRN 1.0 Yesterday; CON 31.8 LAB 31.9 LIB 26.6 UKIP 1.9 GRN 1.7 For wards where the main three parties contested it was a little different (2017 general election in brackets); CON 37.6 (53.9) LAB 28.1 (34.1) LIB 25.9 (8.2) So Tories down 16.3, Labour down 6 and the Lib Dems up 17.7. Which does rather display the limitations of council election results for predicting general elections... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 15:21:25 GMT
I was hoping someone would do this. So its inline with the polls basically neck and neck
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