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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 11, 2018 1:42:46 GMT
No way Islamics ever manage that, and even if they did, I count on your side to rise up violently against them. "Finally Liberals always have to seek shelter in Conservativism." (GOMEZ DAVILA, who wasn't conservative). |
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Post by andrea on Jun 11, 2018 6:30:24 GMT
First round of local elections took place yesterday
PD avoided the wipe out. They held Brescia.
Lega (and FI) take Vicenza and Treviso. FI should take Catania
Many municipalities will go to second round
5 Stars are generally down everywhere. In big towns they are in second round in Avellino (but 20 points behind PD candidate) and Ragusa (in the lead).
Lega will take Terni in 2 weeks (49% yesterday). PD did pretty well in Ancona (their candidate is at 45%) with a decont chance of an hold. They struggled in Tuscany cities (Siena, Pisa and Massa) where they are in the lead but their candidates have scores in the 30s meaning they need to attract votes from others to hold. In the last couple of years PD used to lose this kind of run offs. Let's see if 2 months of opposition is enough to chance this trend.
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Post by mboy on Jun 11, 2018 11:00:42 GMT
Had to do something to prove they're still in the game after they spectacularly failed to rig both the French presidential election and the German Bundestag election. Though they did do a good job at securing the reelection of Milos Zeman by compromising Drahos, but that is small fry. With the Russians back in the big league I expect them to deliver a big win for Jair Bolsonaro and the GOP to increase their congressional majority against all odds in November. And it used to be the Right who spent all their time on conspiracy theories....  You haven't met the hard-left then?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 11:06:37 GMT
Had to do something to prove they're still in the game after they spectacularly failed to rig both the French presidential election and the German Bundestag election. Though they did do a good job at securing the reelection of Milos Zeman by compromising Drahos, but that is small fry. With the Russians back in the big league I expect them to deliver a big win for Jair Bolsonaro and the GOP to increase their congressional majority against all odds in November. And it used to be the Right who spent all their time on conspiracy theories.... I think your irony detector needs fixing. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 11, 2018 11:32:52 GMT
No way Islamics ever manage that, and even if they did, I count on your side to rise up violently against them. "Finally Liberals always have to seek shelter in Conservativism." (GOMEZ DAVILA, who wasn't conservative). Do you have any original thought of your own or do you just believe whatever your favourite writers tell you to believe? Outside of personality cultists (and religious hard liners) I've never come across anyone who uses quotes from others to represent 'their' views quite as much as you. |
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Post by Antiochian on Jun 11, 2018 11:40:16 GMT
"Finally Liberals always have to seek shelter in Conservativism." (GOMEZ DAVILA, who wasn't conservative). Do you have any original thought of your own or do you just believe whatever your favourite writers tell you to believe? Outside of personality cultists (and religious hard liners) I've never come across anyone who uses quotes from others to represent 'their' views quite as much as you. George (or Gomez Davila) are right.. (pseudo-) Liberals are currently flocking to the "no change" position and its the iconoclasts that want to tear down the ossified institutionally entrenched EU structures. Look how the frisson travelled up the spines of (pseudo-) Liberals when the reactionary Italian president rejected a game-changing economics minister because he was liable to shake the status quo. Have (pseudo-) Liberals and Elites ever been as interchangeable as they are currently?? |
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Post by mboy on Jun 11, 2018 12:14:04 GMT
Probably in the 19th century was the last time in the UK.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 11, 2018 12:58:18 GMT
I've never come across anyone who uses quotes from others to represent 'their' views quite as much as you. I thank You very much, although i am aware, that i cannot compete with really well-read humanists. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 11, 2018 15:55:27 GMT
I've never come across anyone who uses quotes from others to represent 'their' views quite as much as you. I thank You very much, although i am aware, that i cannot compete with really well-read humanists. The description 'empty vessel' comes to mind... Sad. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 11, 2018 20:17:16 GMT
I thank You very much, although i am aware, that i cannot compete with really well-read humanists. The description 'empty vessel' comes to mind... Sad. Once again i have to thank You - this time for assuming, that i am a harmless polyhistor swimming somewhere in the ocean of erudity. |
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Post by spqr on Jun 11, 2018 20:32:55 GMT
I thank You very much, although i am aware, that i cannot compete with really well-read humanists. The description 'empty vessel' comes to mind... Sad. Not really. He's clearly just better read than most of us. (Y)our problem, not his. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 11, 2018 22:42:31 GMT
The description 'empty vessel' comes to mind... Sad. Not really. He's clearly just better read than most of us. (Y)our problem, not his. Thank You. I am aware - that my knowledge should be much larger - i am sorry, You'd deserve better - of the possibility of docta ignorantia (to know alone is nothing, to understand is everything) - i know, what i know; but i don't know enough, what i don't know |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 12, 2018 0:00:26 GMT
The description 'empty vessel' comes to mind... Sad. Not really. He's clearly just better read than most of us. (Y)our problem, not his. I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of defining one's thought by that of others, it comes across to me as shallow and pseudo-intellectual. Each to their own though eh. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 12, 2018 20:02:16 GMT
Not really. He's clearly just better read than most of us. (Y)our problem, not his. I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of defining one's thought by that of others, it comes across to me as shallow and pseudo-intellectual. Each to their own though eh. It is a very German and Austrian approach to defer to thinkers and poets to best express ones thoughts. It might seem lazy to us, based on our experiences here, but it really isn't- it's a form of intellectual humility. Helmut Schmidt, no fool he, was very fond of quoting philosophers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 20:22:34 GMT
I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of defining one's thought by that of others, it comes across to me as shallow and pseudo-intellectual. Each to their own though eh. It is a very German and Austrian approach to defer to thinkers and poets to best express ones thoughts. It might seem lazy to us, based on our experiences here, but it really isn't- it's a form of intellectual humility. Helmut Schmidt, no fool he, was very fond of quoting philosophers. I think that's true. Using "off-the-shelf" quotations is also a painless and reliable way of making a point in a language that is not your own. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 12, 2018 22:17:14 GMT
It is a very German and Austrian approach to defer to thinkers and poets to best express ones thoughts. It might seem lazy to us, based on our experiences here, but it really isn't- it's a form of intellectual humility. Helmut Schmidt, no fool he, was very fond of quoting philosophers. I think that's true. Using "off-the-shelf" quotations is also a painless and reliable way of making a point in a language that is not your own. That might have some weight if there wasn't a constant stream of Gomez Devila's greatest hits from Georg (plus the fact he uses diabolical translation software). So if we're getting onto philosophy here, it might be the German/Austrian style to quote at will but I've rarely come across politicos from those parts who merely use it as an end in itself rather than a guide that can influence understanding. Our political culture is hardly less influenced but less taken with quoting but like those in the German/Austrian style who use quotes to fill in their own gaps there are those in the UK who slavishly follow their political heroes ideas unquestionably following their deeds not words. Influence is inevitable but in the end one has to make your own mind up and as an individual make value judgements about the world around you and look within to define what you truly believe yourself. A refreshing amount of people on this site are non-predictable, politically complex individuals who often suprise other posters with their stances on individual issues because their own political philosophy is not soley defined by others. Long may that continue here and elsewhere. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 13, 2018 2:04:58 GMT
I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of defining one's thought by that of others, it comes across to me as shallow and pseudo-intellectual. Each to their own though eh. It is a very German and Austrian approach to defer to thinkers and poets to best express ones thoughts. It might seem lazy to us, based on our experiences here, but it really isn't- it's a form of intellectual humility. Helmut Schmidt, no fool he, was very fond of quoting philosophers. But British humanists were full of citations, rather more than in Germany! I think the real difference is, that the nations in W&S-Europe preferred allusions and altered (semi)quotations (MONTAIGNE and BURTON being extreme examples), while Germany has insisted on "scientifically correct" ones: With name, source and QuotationMarks - what naturally attracts more attention. (And as an Austrian i initially took the SW-European way - my compatriot E.FRIEDELL defended once the "plagiarism" of MACHIAVELLI, MONTAIGNE, MORUS, MOLINA, MOZART aso. -, but this has brought me difficulties now and again, what let me become increasingly "german"...) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 13:06:24 GMT
"Europe Elects @europeelects 1h1 hour ago Italy, Ixè poll: M5S-EFDD: 29% (-3) LEGA-ENF: 28% (+6) PD-S&D: 20% (+2) FI-EPP: 10% (-2) FdI-*: 4% LeU-S&D: 3% +E-ALDE: 2% PAP-LEFT: 2% Ncl-*: 0% (-1) Field work: 14/06/18 – 16/06/18 Sample size: 1,000" Great to see more Europe doing so well. One of the biggest mistakes for the EU will be the desire to spread and dominate rather than act as a supporting institution for Soverign Nations. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 20, 2018 13:33:43 GMT
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Post by mboy on Jun 20, 2018 13:43:17 GMT
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