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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2018 14:12:37 GMT
Like it or not, Salvini is possibly the first Italian politician for forty years who has actually done what he said he would. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 20, 2018 14:37:20 GMT
Like it or not, Salvini is possibly the first Italian politician for forty years who has actually done what he said he would. I don't know about that. Did Il Divo Giulio ever pretend not to be corrupt? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 15:30:02 GMT
Like it or not, Salvini is possibly the first Italian politician for forty years who has actually done what he said he would. Great to see, same as Trump in the states where he has done what he campaigned for. Isn’t that why we elect politicians to do aka fulfill their promises and manifestos? What worries other parties is the potential success of League and MS5 turning Italy around. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2018 19:10:03 GMT
Like it or not, Salvini is possibly the first Italian politician for forty years who has actually done what he said he would. I don't know about that. Did Il Divo Giulio ever pretend not to be corrupt? He never campaigned on a platform of more corruption. Which is borderline surprising! |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 23, 2018 22:06:38 GMT
Like it or not, Salvini is possibly the first Italian politician for forty years who has actually done what he said he would. Great to see, same as Trump in the states where he has done what he campaigned for. How on Earth has Trump done what he campaigned for? There's still no Mexican-funded border wall. Hillary Clinton has not been locked up. Obamacare has not been replaced with something better. The swamp has clearly not been drained (if anything, there's more corruption under Trump than there was before). Even a casual comparison of Trump's record in office shows he's not even remotely in the same ballpark as Salvini when it comes to major campaign promises. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 8:08:21 GMT
Great to see, same as Trump in the states where he has done what he campaigned for. How on Earth has Trump done what he campaigned for? There's still no Mexican-funded border wall. Hillary Clinton has not been locked up. Obamacare has not been replaced with something better. The swamp has clearly not been drained (if anything, there's more corruption under Trump than there was before). Even a casual comparison of Trump's record in office shows he's not even remotely in the same ballpark as Salvini when it comes to major campaign promises. Ok, let’s exclude Hilary being locked up and draining the swamp, as they have no impact on people’s day to day lives. Trump campaigned for lower taxes - Delivered, people now have more money in their pocket and the American Economy is booming. Amending trade deals with NAFTA and China - Delivered, China and other nations now have to pay tariffs on certain goods with exporting to the US. Spending on Infrastructure - Delivered, new spending bill was signed off this year, increasing expenditure to improve the American Infrastructure. Travel ban on Muslims from certain countries- Delivered to some extent, however the left have a cry and even though we have seen terrorist acts, more violent cities and increased levels of sexual assaults of woman the left in Europe and USA still support importing of people of Muslim faith. Ditching the Paris Accord, ripping up the Iran deal and moving the Israeli Embassy - Done, Done and Done with again the anti Semitic left having a cry and moan. US - Mexico Wall - it is being built and in true Trump style it will be “Fantastic”. So all in all he has achieved pretty much everything he has set out bar locking Hilary up and draining the swamp. But for everyone’s day to day lives they have more money in their pockets and the US economy is booming and I for one wish we had Trump lowering our taxes and negotiating Brexit. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jun 24, 2018 9:53:25 GMT
Spending on Infrastructure - Delivered, new spending bill was signed off this year, increasing expenditure to improve the American Infrastructure. Leaving aside the other claims, many of which are dubious at best, this one is simply false. While overall spending has increased very little of that increase went on infrastructure. Half of the increase went to the military while most of the domestic spending increases went on things that the Democrats wanted (when you need 60 votes in the Senate you have to deal with the other party). Infrastructure was always planned to dealt with through separate legislation but congress seems totally uninterested in pursuing anything on the scale that Trump wants. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 10:09:35 GMT
Spending on Infrastructure - Delivered, new spending bill was signed off this year, increasing expenditure to improve the American Infrastructure. Leaving aside the other claims, many of which are dubious at best, this one is simply false. While overall spending has increased very little of that increase went on infrastructure. Half of the increase went to the military while most of the domestic spending increases went on things that the Democrats wanted (when you need 60 votes in the Senate you have to deal with the other party). Infrastructure was always planned to dealt with through separate legislation but congress seems totally uninterested in pursuing anything on the scale that Trump wants. Which ones are dubious? So in one post you contradict yourself by saying there is little infrastructure spending and then saying there was infrastructure spending. I find many on here cannot accept that Trump is delivering due to pure hate towards him. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 25, 2018 23:33:56 GMT
How on Earth has Trump done what he campaigned for? There's still no Mexican-funded border wall. Hillary Clinton has not been locked up. Obamacare has not been replaced with something better. The swamp has clearly not been drained (if anything, there's more corruption under Trump than there was before). Even a casual comparison of Trump's record in office shows he's not even remotely in the same ballpark as Salvini when it comes to major campaign promises. Ok, let’s exclude Hilary being locked up and draining the swamp, as they have no impact on people’s day to day lives. Even though they were two of the most prominent campaign promises? Fair enough, he has cut taxes for some people, though it wasn't a major theme of his campaign. However, it is economically illiterate to say that the tax cut bill is responsible for the current state of the US economy, since pretty much all economists agree that the effects of changes in government policy almost always take a long time to affect the economy, and the exceptions are almost always things like shifting the timing of something people were going to do anyway (e.g. companies paying their annual bonuses early to avoid a tax hike). Very few American Presidents are able to make a significant difference to the economy in their first term. No trade deals have actually been altered. NAFTA remains in force on precisely the same terms. And his campaign promises on this were about amending the trade deals so that he could bring back jobs to the US (and his most cited example was coal-mining - an industry that remains in terminal decline). Not a major campaign theme and, as Richard Allen has pointed out, it's a rather dubious claim. The campaign promise was a travel ban on Muslims. The campaign rhetoric didn't mention "certain countries". Again, not major planks of the campaign. Evidence that is is being built please? Also, evidence that Mexico is paying for it. As for the campaign slogan "Make America Great Again", Trump has pretty much destroyed the US's international standing. At the recent G7 meeting, for example, the other leaders were clearly sidelining him. From where I'm sitting, he looks about as competent at running the US as he was at running a casino. Even if I measure his success by his stated policy preferences rather than mine. So no, on balance, your post doesn't convince me that he's anywhere close to Salvini in his ability to enact campaign promises. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 26, 2018 14:35:03 GMT
From where I'm sitting, he looks about as competent at running the US as he was at running a casino. Let's put it this way, I personally wouldn't trust Trump to oversee the Apocalypse... |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 30, 2018 12:18:21 GMT
"Europe Elects
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4h4 hours ago
Italy, Ipsos Poll:
LEGA-ENF: 31% (+1)
M5S-EFDD: 30%
PD-S&D: 19%
FI-EPP: 8% (-1)
+E-ALDE: 3% (+1)
LeU-S&D: 2% (-1)
FdI-*: 2% (-1)
NcI-*: 1%
Others: 3% (-1)
Released: 27/06/2018"
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 13, 2018 17:32:27 GMT
"Europe Elects
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1h1 hour ago
Italy, EMG poll:
M5S-EFDD: 30% (-1)
LEGA-ENF: 28% (+1)
PD-S&D: 18%
FI-EPP: 10%
FdI-*: 4%
LeU-S&D: 4% (+1)
+E-ALDE: 2%
Ncl-*: 1%
PSI/Verdi/CP/SVP-S&D/G-EFA/*/EPP: 1%
Field work: 6/07/18 – 8/07/18
Sample size: 1,526"
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Post by andrea on Feb 24, 2020 18:10:25 GMT
In the total indifference of basically everybody, a by-election took place in Naples for a Senate seat. M5S senator died in November 2019.
Turnout: 9.5%
Centre-left 48.5% ELECTED
FI-Lega-FdI 24.1%
M5S 22.5%
Power to the People (far left) 2.5
Neapolitan Renaissance 2.4%
In 2018 it was 5FS 53.2% FI-Lega-FDI 22.6% PD 16.4% Free & Equals 3.9%
2 more by-elections scheduled for March:
One in Rome to replace Gentiloni. Economy and Finance minister Gualtieri is running for PD
One in Terni to replace Tesei elected as Umbria governor
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 24, 2020 19:31:22 GMT
In the total indifference of basically everybody, a by-election took place in Naples for a Senate seat. M5S senator died in November 2019. Turnout: 9.5% Centre-left 48.5% ELECTED FI-Lega-FdI 24.1% M5S 22.5% Power to the People (far left) 2.5 Neapolitan Renaissance 2.4% In 2018 it was 5FS 53.2% FI-Lega-FDI 22.6% PD 16.4% Free & Equals 3.9% 2 more by-elections scheduled for March: One in Rome to replace Gentiloni. Economy and Finance minister Gualtieri is running for PD One in Terni to replace Tesei elected as Umbria governor Such a TurnOut makes the result quite worthless, sure. Still i want to ask, where this seat is situated? With Lega+ making no progress at all it is a place with lots of students? |
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Post by andrea on Feb 24, 2020 22:13:14 GMT
Such a TurnOut makes the result quite worthless, sure. Still i want to ask, where this seat is situated? With Lega+ making no progress at all it is a place with lots of students? It is the eastern part of Naples + Vomero. The area is blue in the following map www.youtrend.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/napoli_collegi_senato.pngIn Italy students are generally still resident in their parents' home. So they vote "at home" and therefore there aren't constituencies known as "students' seats" unlike in Britain and other European countries. Electoral registration is tied with residency registration. Indeed there is no electoral registration because the electoral register is directly taken from the residents' register. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 24, 2020 22:21:09 GMT
Such a TurnOut makes the result quite worthless, sure. Still i want to ask, where this seat is situated? With Lega+ making no progress at all it is a place with lots of students? It is the eastern part of Naples + Vomero. The area is blue in the following map www.youtrend.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/napoli_collegi_senato.pngIn Italy students are generally still resident in their parents' home. So they vote "at home" and therefore there aren't constituencies known as "students' seats" unlike in Britain and other European countries. Electoral registration is tied with residency registration. Indeed there is no electoral registration because the electoral register is directly taken from the residents' register. In Italy former students are generally still resident in their parents’ home, until they get marry and have kids. Then they move upstairs.  |
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Post by andrea on Mar 2, 2020 0:22:14 GMT
House of Deputies by-election
Lazio 1 constituency (it is one of the Rome city center constituencies)
Turnout: 17.66%
PD (finance minister Gualtieri) 62.24%
Brothers of Italy/Lega/Forza Italia (candidate was from Brothers of Italy) 26.08%
M5S 4.36%
Communist Party 2.62%
Power to the People 2.41%
People of Families 1.32%
VOLT 0.97%
2018 GE was PD (Gentiloni) 42% Centre-right 30% M5S 17%
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Post by andrea on Mar 9, 2020 13:21:01 GMT
And last but not least, by-election in Umbria to replace the recently elected Lega regional governor
Turnout: 14,51%
Lega-FI-FdI 53.74%
PD and friends 38.03%
M5S 7.5%
Reconquer Italy 0.74%
In 2018 it was Lega-FI-FdI 38.5% M5S 28% PD 25.5%
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 9, 2020 14:05:11 GMT
Are these sort of dismal turnout levels typical for by-elections in Italy?
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Post by andrea on Mar 9, 2020 15:12:18 GMT
Are these sort of dismal turnout levels typical for by-elections in Italy? It has been a long while since last parliamentary by-elections since FPTP constituencies were not used since 2006. In the bunch of 7 byelections held in 2004 the turnout was 40%. |
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