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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 19:41:44 GMT
Conte is the new PM in Italy Swearing tomorrow at 16.00 Was the list of ministers the same as the one you gave? |
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Post by andrea on May 31, 2018 19:44:11 GMT
Conte is the new PM in Italy Swearing tomorrow at 16.00 Was the list of ministers the same as the one you gave? He should read the list as soon as he exits Mattarella's room So far the top official came out announcing that Conte has presented the list and the sworn in ceremony of the government is tomorrow at 4PM |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 31, 2018 19:52:12 GMT
Actually quite funny to have put him in charge of "European Affairs", considering. Oh to be a fly on the wall when he first meets President Jean-Claude "Italians should work harder and stop being so corrupt" Juncker. I hope they first meet over one of Juncker's famous full Scottish breakfasts. |
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Post by andrea on May 31, 2018 19:52:27 GMT
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development and Social Policies: Luigi Di Maio
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs and local autonomies: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Paolo Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Family and Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Enzo Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastructure and Transport: Danilo Toninelli. (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament and Open Democracy: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
Environment: Sergio Costa
Under Secretary to the Presidency: Giancarlo Giorgetti (Lega)
Compared to the rumored list, the difference is Toninelli
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 31, 2018 19:56:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 20:11:54 GMT
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Any relation to Beppe? |
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Post by andrea on May 31, 2018 20:31:28 GMT
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Any relation to Beppe? They are no related. Both both presidents of 5 Stars parlamentary groups (Giulia Grillo and Danilo Toninelli) have been named ministers. So new appointments to come. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 20:45:09 GMT
Markus Ferber was on ZDF talking about the worst case scenario being the Troika taking control of the finance ministry in Rome. He is right but he really, really isn’t helping a delicate situation.
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Post by Foggy on May 31, 2018 22:18:06 GMT
I don't think everyone criticising Oettinger in here knows a lot about him either, but this does show that you shouldn't have been so quick to defend him. He was a spectacularly unimpressive successor to Erwin Teufel who jumped ship to Brussels at the earliest opportunity [...] Not sure he jumped ship, I think he was discretely forced to walk the plank. He was useless but he hadn't been in post for long when he resigned. I think he took joining the Commission as a promotion, and considering he then handed over to the even more hapless Stefan Mappus (whose Pforzheim seat is now held by the AfD!), I doubt the party was keen to nudge him aside. Even if he did 'walk the plank', I fail to see how he could have done so in a discrete manner. Discrete from what exactly?? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 1, 2018 4:47:24 GMT
Markus Ferber was on ZDF talking about the worst case scenario being the Troika taking control of the finance ministry in Rome. He is right but he really, really isn’t helping a delicate situation. Some of the Tweets in English from Italians are fabulous. Could have been written as a joke for a rather angry Dolmio advert. |
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Post by Antiochian on Jun 1, 2018 7:51:12 GMT
I am afraid that I am not convinced that this is now a reborn pro-Euro government just by shifting Savona to a ministry where he can apply his flamethrower more directly to the privates of the Euro-potentates.
Both parties were prepared to forsake government for Savona and the subversion of the Euro so they are unlikely to have abandoned that commitment over just one week.
Now they have regrouped and wheeled in a new Trojan Horse.
One more added to the awkward squad in Brussels.. Poland, Hungary and now Italy... can't be bad for the UK as its one less lining up behind the Merkel orthodoxy and one less enthusiastic fan of "punishment beating" the UK.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 1, 2018 8:20:15 GMT
Juncker's people now claim his comments were taken out of context. Not sure the context could have been clearer, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 8:21:32 GMT
Juncker's people now claim his comments were taken out of context. Not sure the context could have been clearer, really. The context was that he was pissed. |
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Post by Antiochian on Jun 1, 2018 8:41:01 GMT
Juncker's people now claim his comments were taken out of context. Not sure the context could have been clearer, really. The context was that he was pissed. Literally or figuratively? He is the Angry Old Man of Brussels.... |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 1, 2018 8:43:41 GMT
Juncker's people now claim his comments were taken out of context. Not sure the context could have been clearer, really. The context was that he was pissed. That’s the usual context though. Maybe he was sober for once? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 1, 2018 8:49:14 GMT
The context was that he was pissed. Literally or figuratively? He is the Angry Old Man of Brussels.... thought it was the very young who do the pissing in Brussels... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 9:37:53 GMT
The context was that he was pissed. That’s the usual context though. Maybe he was sober for once? Charitable as ever. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 1, 2018 22:06:19 GMT
Not sure he jumped ship, I think he was discretely forced to walk the plank. He was useless but he hadn't been in post for long when he resigned. I think he took joining the Commission as a promotion, and considering he then handed over to the even more hapless Stefan Mappus (whose Pforzheim seat is now held by the AfD!), I doubt the party was keen to nudge him aside. Even if he did 'walk the plank', I fail to see how he could have done so in a discrete manner. Discrete from what exactly?? I said he was discretely forced to walk the plank, not that he was forced to discretely walk the plank. You're right about Mappus of course. Re Oettinger, not sure either 'the party' was keen to nudge him aside, but Merkel probably was. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 1, 2018 23:25:59 GMT
He was useless but he hadn't been in post for long when he resigned. I think he took joining the Commission as a promotion, and considering he then handed over to the even more hapless Stefan Mappus (whose Pforzheim seat is now held by the AfD!), I doubt the party was keen to nudge him aside. Even if he did 'walk the plank', I fail to see how he could have done so in a discrete manner. Discrete from what exactly?? I said he was discretely forced to walk the plank, not that he was forced to discretely walk the plank. You're right about Mappus of course. Re Oettinger, not sure either 'the party' was keen to nudge him aside, but Merkel probably was. Since you're not doing subtlety at the moment, I'll have to spell it out: you are failing to see the distinction between discre te and discre et. I suspect you are correct about Merkel, though. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 2, 2018 8:44:42 GMT
The whole thing is "interesting". One of the fundamentals is that before the March election there was a three-way tussle between left-bloc, right-bloc and M5S; what we now have is a bloc of M5S + part of the right-bloc, with the rest of the right-bloc seemingly tagging along or sidelined. Unless there's an almighty collapse of M5S (surely implausible, and as you say the current situation really plays very strongly to their whole argument) I don't see how they would be excluded from government, so what intrigues me is just how their anti-banker, anti-elite politics are going to mesh with Lega's more conservative ethos. Of course if M5S were to win a majority in an election they'd be completely in the driving seat. Not sure the left can do much atm except rebuild in opposition and wait for the others to slip up, which I still think is not such a bad prospect. The other thing is that if it turns out there is no election, and even more so if it was all a cunning plan, that would show up how Italian politics is just very different to what we're used to here, and things that make us all clutch our heads wondering wtf is happening turn out to be all part of the fun and games of politics as normal. As another poster pointed out, it's quite easy to do that: independent Italian businesses vs multinational corporations, producers vs speculators, etc. There are plenty of right-wing critiques of capitalism and its excesses available. But it's all academic now. I'm pleased to see Lega getting the Home Office, and look forward to plenty of unwelcome guests being sent home. I think the mainstream left has a fairly long road to walk now, as does the mainstream right. They've been in power for a long time, and people's anger with them about the current situation is unlikely to dissipate soon, unless MS5 + Lega manage to spectacularly mess things up, which is possible, though not as likely as many would have us believe. Agree on much of that. The "populists" have earnt their right to have a go and the mainstream parties have earnt their place in opposition. I still think the proposals of lower taxes and universal incomes are going to be tricky to reconcile but I can see that a simpler tax system and bolstering lower incomes might increase tax revenue. I'm glad that I'm not in the country conducting the experiment, but it could be very instructive and should be observed without prejudice. I think their attitude to the EU could be instructive to the latter too - if they can get away from posturing, starting rows for the sake of it and passing on blame for Italian problems onto outsiders then the basic premise that the EU needs to be less restrictive, less dismissive of southern Europe, and generally shaken up is probably healthy. I'm less fussed about immigration than you are from a UK POV but I can see more of a case for it in Italy due to them being on the front-line of immigration from North Africa and due to the economic pull not really being Italy at all. It's a disproportionate problem for them and there is much less of a compensating benefit. On the whole I think they'll screw up but I don't think it will be a bad thing if they succeed. |
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