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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 9, 2018 0:44:02 GMT
98.5% done.
49.51% (44.87%, +4.64%) # 91+42=133 (133, 0) FIDESZ+KDNP
19.51% (20.22%, -0.71%) # 1+25=26 (23, +3) JOBBIK
12.33% # 8+12=20 MSZP-P
06.92% (05.34%, +1.58%) # 1+7=8 (5, +3) LMP
05.58% # 3+6=9 DK
02.84% Momentum
01.69% MKKP (satirical/leftextreme)
00.63% # 1+0=1 Együtt
00.49% # 1+0=1 MNOÖ (GermanMinority)
??.??% # 1+0=1 Independent
2014's "Unity" (MSZP-P+DK+Együtt+...+...):
18.54% (25.57%, -7.03%) # 12+18=30 (38, -8)
2014's "Unity" + LMK:
25.46% (30.91%, -5.45%) # 13+25=38 (43, -5)
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Post by johnloony on Apr 9, 2018 1:18:09 GMT
The apocalyptically insane journalists at the BBC referred to Fidesz as "Fides" and Budapest as "Budapeszt".
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 9, 2018 1:32:12 GMT
I had expected FIDESZ to gain Szeged-1, because it was heavily affected by the MassImmigration 2015. Didn't happen, though.
The only other "rural" seat (i.e. outside Budapest) was JOBBIK's sole FPTP-one (Fejer-4, Dunaujvaros).
In Budapest the left opposition won 12 of its 13 FPTP-seats:
- 7/8 MSZP-P (07, 08, 09, 10, 15, 16, 18)
- 3/3 DK (05, 11, 12)
- 1/1 Együtt (17)
- 1/1 LMK (01)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 9, 2018 4:07:20 GMT
These seats changed:
from FIDESZ+KDNP to Indep.: Pecs-1
from FIDESZ+KDNP to MSZP-P: Budapest-15+18
from FIDESZ+KDNP to JOBBIK: Fejer-4
from FIDESZ+KDNP to LMK: Budapest-01
from FIDESZ+KDNP to DK: Budapest-12
from MSZP-P to FIDESZ+KDNP: Miskolc
from MSZP-P to DK: Budapest-11
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 9, 2018 7:12:23 GMT
Another resounding rebuffing of the Merkel-led EU ... even though a chemist she should have understood the physics concept that for every action there is a reaction.. but seemingly no.. maybe its the bit that she took one action in 2015 and now there are a myriad of reactions she cannot grasp.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:39:51 GMT
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 9, 2018 11:59:36 GMT
The apocalyptically insane journalists at the BBC referred to Fidesz as "Fides" and Budapest as "Budapeszt". Why is that insane? They are the correct pronunciations. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 9, 2018 12:10:09 GMT
I have heard it alleged that the constituency boundaries are gerrymandered. Is this true, and if so to what extent. Are we talking something resembling the American set-up (almost fractal boundaries, designed to essentially lock in a result), the French set-up (boundaries which have more to do with partisanship than communities, but made up of defined sub-units) or the English set-up (fair boundaries, but with the rules governing how they're drawn designed in the hope they'll produce a partisan effect)? I didn’t know French districts were drawn on partisanship? Yep. They're a pretty naked UMP gerrymander, though that didn't stop it failing horribly on both occasions. |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 9, 2018 12:49:40 GMT
The apocalyptically insane journalists at the BBC referred to Fidesz as "Fides" and Budapest as "Budapeszt". Why is that insane? They are the correct pronunciations No they are not. The correct pronunciations are "Fidesz" and "Budapest" respectively. The insanity is in the brain of the journalists who pronounced them as if they were Polish names instead of Hungarian, and who obviously didn't bother to check their facts with the BBC pronunciation unit. |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 9, 2018 13:03:11 GMT
Why is that insane? They are the correct pronunciations No they are not. The correct pronunciations are "Fidesz" and "Budapest" respectively. The insanity is in the brain of the journalists who pronounced them as if they were Polish names instead of Hungarian, and who obviously didn't bother to check their facts with the BBC pronunciation unit. Sorry but you are incorrect. Sz represents a straight s in English, and s represents a sh in English. This is nothing to do with Polish, where sz represents a sh sound. You might wonder why Hungarian does this, in opposition to normal European practice. It isn't anything to do with Hungarian being an Ugric language. However Hungary is a strange place as we have just seen with their election. PS: The tennis player Monica Seles was an ethnic Hungarian, and her name should have been pronounced Shelesh, but she gave up on this after moving to the USA. |
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Post by mboy on Apr 9, 2018 13:08:35 GMT
They should stop being such prats and simply pronounce foreign place-names in the way that British people have always pronounced them. Until they start calling Germany "Deutschland", and China "Zhōng-guó", then anything else is just pretentiousness. There is no onus on people of any language to pronounce any name in any way other than their own. Just like we don't get to tell Chinese people what their word for our countries and cities are; which is just as well as they call us Yīng-guó .
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Post by johnloony on Apr 9, 2018 14:19:31 GMT
No they are not. The correct pronunciations are "Fidesz" and "Budapest" respectively. The insanity is in the brain of the journalists who pronounced them as if they were Polish names instead of Hungarian, and who obviously didn't bother to check their facts with the BBC pronunciation unit. Sorry but you are incorrect. Sz represents a straight s in English, and s represents a sh in English. This is nothing to do with Polish, where sz represents a sh sound. You might wonder why Hungarian does this, in opposition to normal European practice. It isn't anything to do with Hungarian being an Ugric language. However Hungary is a strange place as we have just seen with their election. PS: The tennis player Monica Seles was an ethnic Hungarian, and her name should have been pronounced Shelesh, but she gave up on this after moving to the USA. Why do you keep contradicting yourself? I am, and for decades have been, fully aware of the fact that the Hungarian letter "sz" is pronounced like an English "s", and that the Hungarian letter "s" is pronounced like an English "sh". I am also fully aware of the fact that The letter "sz" in Polish is pronounced like "sh" in English. You have contradicted yourself by starting off by incorrectly telling me that I am incorrect, and then immediately agreeing with what I wrote in the first place. The reason why I wrote that the BBC journalists had been insane because they pronounced "Fidesz" as "Fides" and "Budapest" as "Budapeszt" is because the BBC journalists insanely referred to "Fidesz" as "Fides" and "Budapest" as "Budapeszt". If the BBC journalists had correctly referred to "Fidesz" as "Fidesz", and to "Budapest" as "Budapest", then it stands to reason, as a matter of obvious obviousism, that it would not have been necessary for me to write my comment in the first place. If you have any difficulty in understanding what I have written, then I suggest that you should re-read the last few comments in the thread, and keep on re-reading it, until you have noticed what I actually wrote. You should also refrain from incorrectly telling me that I am incorrect, when I was (and have always been) correct in what I wrote. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 9, 2018 15:43:18 GMT
They should stop being such prats and simply pronounce foreign place-names in the way that British people have always pronounced them. Until they start calling Germany "Deutschland", and China "Zhōng-guó", then anything else is just pretentiousness. There is no onus on people of any language to pronounce any name in any way other than their own. Just like we don't get to tell Chinese people what their word for our countries and cities are; which is just as well as they call us Yīng-guó . I once met someone who said it was daft that we call Majorca Majorca, "when Mallorca clearly has a double L in it". I shook my head in despair. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 9, 2018 15:45:03 GMT
I do hope that all the journos worried about the state of elections and government intimidation in Hungary stick around for Slovakia and Romania.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 9, 2018 16:29:32 GMT
They should stop being such prats and simply pronounce foreign place-names in the way that British people have always pronounced them. Until they start calling Germany "Deutschland", and China "Zhōng-guó", then anything else is just pretentiousness. There is no onus on people of any language to pronounce any name in any way other than their own. Just like we don't get to tell Chinese people what their word for our countries and cities are; which is just as well as they call us Yīng-guó . I once met someone who said it was daft that we call Majorca Majorca, "when Mallorca clearly has a double L in it". I shook my head in despair. The warta in Mallorca don't taste quite what it ought'a. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 7:47:05 GMT
The Left has deep problems in Hungary, rooted in its history, public perceptions of that history and a systematic inability to engage with public opinion. That it is also completely undermined by personality clashes and the "narcissism of small differences" simply adds contempt to public feelings of distrust. The Hungarian opposition is going nowhere until Viktor Orbán either crashes and burns or people get tired of him. ADDENDUM Éva Balogh's coverage of the election provides excellent evidence of her limitations as a commentator. By all means read her to find out what is happening in Hungary (you will have trouble finding that anywhere else), but her judgement is completely contaminated by wishful thinking and hatred of Orbán. Also bear in mind that she has mostly lived in Canada and the US since 1956. |
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 10, 2018 7:58:23 GMT
oh my... where have we heard this before: "The inhabitants of villages, in fact, the poorest villages, voted in droves for Fidesz. They are under-educated, ill-informed, and brainwashed". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 8:10:17 GMT
oh my... where have we heard this before: "The inhabitants of villages, in fact, the poorest villages, voted in droves for Fidesz. They are under-educated, ill-informed, and brainwashed". Viktor Orbán is an unscrupulous megalomaniac, but he understands Hungarians and is giving them what they want (or what they think they want, if you prefer*). If they come to perceive that he is not making their lives better in practical terms, he may lose public support, but change will require a viable alternative. At the moment, there isn't one. *ADDENDUM |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 8:51:41 GMT
oh my... where have we heard this before: "The inhabitants of villages, in fact, the poorest villages, voted in droves for Fidesz. They are under-educated, ill-informed, and brainwashed". Fair enough, but while that may irritate some it isn't the interesting part of the post, which contains a good description of how the opposition failed and especially how the actions and mentality of the LMP influenced this ("a quick look at some of the districts indicates that the left-of-center parties lost 17 districts because of LMP’s intransigence"). "An example of the small-mindedness of some LMP politicians was campaign manager Erzsébet Schmuck’s performance this morning on ATV. She wasn’t worried about Fidesz’s two-thirds majority; her main concern was MSZP’s “historic sin,” which was to bring Ferenc Gyurcsány back into parliament. I’m afraid that Ms. Schmuck’s name offers a fair description of her political acumen." |
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Post by greenhert on Apr 10, 2018 9:18:56 GMT
Many progressive parties around the world display this same attitude (the one stated at the end of this article) since they are often failing to reach out to rural and poorer voters and are too city-focused. It is holding them back significantly and they need to be more inclusive and more understanding.
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