Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Mar 1, 2018 13:16:04 GMT
Yes, my wife confirms that Jobbik have transformed themselves enough in the last four years to make them potentially palatable as partners for most of the Left/Centre groups. They've toned down the bovver-boy type stuff and gone more for a modern conservative party image. (There's still plenty of pretty nasty people in the party, but the assumption is made that they would be sidelined if the party became part of a ruling coalition.) Meanwhile the hubris and authoritarianism of Fidesz has started to get on so many people's nerves that minds are being concentrated. The primary objective is to ensure that Fidesz gets less than two-thirds of seats in parliament (which gives it constitution-changing powers); that'll potentially require an 8 percentage-point fall in Fidesz's opinion-poll ratings during the next month, something that won't be achieved without opposition co-ordination. Fun story out of Eger, where Orbán compared his local candidate unfavourably with washing-machines: 444.hu/2018/02/27/orban-szavaival-alazzak-eger-utcain-szegeny-nyitrai-zsoltot |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 13:19:33 GMT
Yes, my wife confirms that Jobbik have transformed themselves enough in the last four years to make them potentially palatable as partners for most of the Left/Centre groups. They've toned down the bovver-boy type stuff and gone more for a modern conservative party image. (There's still plenty of pretty nasty people in the party, but the assumption is made that they would be sidelined if the party became part of a ruling coalition.) Meanwhile the hubris and authoritarianism of Fidesz has started to get on so many people's nerves that minds are being concentrated. The primary objective is to ensure that Fidesz gets less than two-thirds of seats in parliament (which gives it constitution-changing powers); that'll potentially require an 8 percentage-point fall in Fidesz's opinion-poll ratings during the next month, something that won't be achieved without opposition co-ordination. Fun story out of Eger, where Orbán compared his local candidate unfavourably with washing-machines: 444.hu/2018/02/27/orban-szavaival-alazzak-eger-utcain-szegeny-nyitrai-zsoltotI've lost track of how many constitutional revisions there have been in recent years. Maybe four? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 1, 2018 13:30:26 GMT
(There's still plenty of pretty nasty people in the party, but the assumption is made that they would be sidelined if the party became part of a ruling coalition.) You'd think that Hungarians would learn that this is a bad idea, given how Rakosi rose to power. |
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Post by RichardMills on Mar 1, 2018 14:36:36 GMT
Does anyone have a link to 'constituency' results from last time along with a map showing the constituencies?
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Mar 1, 2018 18:03:06 GMT
(There's still plenty of pretty nasty people in the party, but the assumption is made that they would be sidelined if the party became part of a ruling coalition.) You'd think that Hungarians would learn that this is a bad idea, given how Rakosi rose to power. Well, yes, there's clearly a risk in dealing with Jobbik. Fpr example, at the moment they might be appear to be as angry about the government's "Soros Plan" propaganda lies as everyone else, but it's hard to believe they wouldn't employ similar propaganda if they ever came to power. (Compare the attitude to AfD in Germany, who are still beyond the pale.) But it's symptomatic of the acute frustration and embarrassment among the political class that this bizarre realignment is taking place. |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 1, 2018 18:08:02 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 1, 2018 19:58:34 GMT
What's the MSZP seat in the North East- Miskolc? |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 1, 2018 20:08:01 GMT
Amusingly, the elected representative for the area my late grandfather-in-law came from is called Nagy István, the same name as the Hungarian Two-tailed Dog Party used for its 'candidates' in the 2006 election.  |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 1, 2018 23:10:10 GMT
What's the MSZP seat in the North East- Miskolc? Yes. The western, Diósgyőr half, home to the steelworks and lots of blocks of flats. MSZP just sneaked in here - MSZP, Fidesz and Jobbik all got 31%. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 1, 2018 23:25:58 GMT
What's the MSZP seat in the North East- Miskolc? Yes. The western, Diósgyőr half, home to the steelworks and lots of blocks of flats. MSZP just sneaked in here - MSZP, Fidesz and Jobbik all got 31%. In raw vote terms: MSZP 14,798 Fidesz 14,560 Jobbik 14,425. So essentially a fluke result, by the looks of things. |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 2, 2018 0:19:55 GMT
That result demonstrates the traction that the Jobbik nationalists gained in the relatively poor NE of the country, akin to how Ukip was performing in the UK before the referendum. Their vote was 50% higher in Miskolc than in the country as a whole.
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Post by greenhert on Mar 8, 2018 13:13:17 GMT
They have not-the boundaries for Hungary's SMCs are the same as in the 2014 election. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 8, 2018 13:26:55 GMT
The statement of persons nominated for each constituency, and for the lists, is now available: www.valasztas.hu/ogy2018
Keywords to statuses:
Nyilvántartásba véve: registration accepted (candidate nominated)
Nyilvántartásba véve (nem jogerős): registration accepted (not final; further checks being conducted)
Bejelentve: reported (issues with endorsements).
Nyilvántartásba vétel elutasítva (nem jogerős): registration rejected (not final; queries about nominations)
Nyilvantartasba vetel elutasitva: registration rejected (final decision) Fuggetlen: Independent candidate.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 8, 2018 14:44:40 GMT
The statement of persons nominated for each constituency, and for the lists, is now available: www.valasztas.hu/ogy2018
Keywords to statuses:
Fuggetlen: Independent candidate.
Whenever an independent candidate appears in a local by-election now, I will automatically think of them as a "Fuggetlen". |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 13, 2018 22:55:03 GMT
Of the 40 lists submitted for this Hungarian election:
22 have been confirmed as valid. The Family Party (CSP) list has been provisionally accepted as well.
3 have been provisionally rejected but may get accepted.
13 have been confirmed as invalid (most notably the Independent Small Freeholders Party's list). The SZP have withdrawn their list for unknown reasons. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 17, 2018 19:05:13 GMT
Literally ending his campaign by screaming JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS at a rally, to be followed by re-election at a canter. Pass the cyanide.
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Post by greenhert on Mar 22, 2018 16:55:54 GMT
The 23 lists approved for this election: www.valasztas.hu/orszagos-listakNotable among the rejected lists include the Motherland Party (formerly the Homeland Not For Sale Movement), and the Independent Smallholders Party (a remnant of a once-powerful party). |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 6, 2018 5:56:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 13:57:39 GMT
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 8, 2018 14:54:48 GMT
Participation has been rising especially in Budapest and surrounding - no good news for Orban and JOBBIK.
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