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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 1, 2017 16:00:21 GMT
I dont get the impression Jacinda is some revolutionary socialist. It seems quite reasonable to say if NZ has the largest proportion of homelessness in the western world then that is a failure of the economic system. It maybe that in other countries alternative economic models have failed but that seems a poor argument in favour of the current economic model. Particularly when Jacinda is proposing market intervention as opposed to the great leap forward. Does New Zealand really have more homelessness than the US or UK? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 16:19:56 GMT
Yes UK is .38% US .18% and NZ .94%
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Post by maxque on Nov 1, 2017 19:49:16 GMT
I dont get the impression Jacinda is some revolutionary socialist. It seems quite reasonable to say if NZ has the largest proportion of homelessness in the western world then that is a failure of the economic system. It maybe that in other countries alternative economic models have failed but that seems a poor argument in favour of the current economic model. Particularly when Jacinda is proposing market intervention as opposed to the great leap forward. Does New Zealand really have more homelessness than the US or UK? Also, one of the western countries with the highest income inequality. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 20:32:57 GMT
Does New Zealand really have more homelessness than the US or UK? Also, one of the western countries with the highest income inequality. I'd wonder if race (history and culture not genetics) rather than economics may be a significant factor in this. Polynesian homelessness rate is 10 times that of whites... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2017 20:41:48 GMT
No, that's not the case. Before the 1980s New Zealand did not have a homelessness problem.
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Post by Adrian on Nov 2, 2017 9:46:25 GMT
Is it measured differently?
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Post by cogload on Feb 4, 2018 10:11:54 GMT
The New Government has survived 100 days. Current polling has Labour and the Nats tied on 42, NZ First on 4 and the Greens mopping up the rest. Give or take a few.
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Post by neilm on Feb 14, 2018 1:14:22 GMT
The New Government has survived 100 days. Current polling has Labour and the Nats tied on 42, NZ First on 4 and the Greens mopping up the rest. Give or take a few. I assume Winston is too old to care about low polling. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 14, 2018 8:49:08 GMT
The New Government has survived 100 days. Current polling has Labour and the Nats tied on 42, NZ First on 4 and the Greens mopping up the rest. Give or take a few. I assume Winston is too old to care about low polling. There did seem to be an assumption amongst all sides of New Zealand media during the coalition negotiations that the elections had been Winston’s last and the negotiations were about creating a legacy, something borne out in his speech announcing his agreement with Labour in which he devoted a significant chunk to explaining his choice had been between short-term stability (the National Party) and a future for his grandchildren (Labour). |
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Post by uhurasmazda on Feb 14, 2018 9:27:09 GMT
Yeah, Winston's standing down in 2020. Rumour has it that the agreement with National would have involved sending him to London as High Commissioner sometime around now.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 14, 2018 11:02:52 GMT
Yeah, Winston's standing down in 2020. Rumour has it that the agreement with National would have involved sending him to London as High Commissioner sometime around now. Do you think the party will survive without him and if not where would the voters go? |
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Post by uhurasmazda on Feb 15, 2018 0:08:12 GMT
Yeah, Winston's standing down in 2020. Rumour has it that the agreement with National would have involved sending him to London as High Commissioner sometime around now. Do you think the party will survive without him and if not where would the voters go? Questionable. Some voters would go Labour, some would go National (that cohort have already left), and the remnant of racists would either stick around forever or go to some new attempt at a right-wing party. There's also some real weirdos - there's a woman in Mount Albert who goes to all our public meetings and shouts at Labour MPs for being atrociously right-wing, but then goes and votes NZ First. NZF definitely won't get 5% without Winston, but one of the issues is that we're getting pretty short on support parties on both sides of the aisle. With that in mind, I think we might stand aside for the next leader in an electorate in 2020 (Ron Mark in Wairarapa or Shane Jones in Whangarei) in the kind of deal that National made with ACT. We wouldn't like it, but if it gave us two or three seats I don't think we'd demur. But that would just ensure a temporary survival of the party as an adjunct of Labour. |
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Post by cogload on Feb 16, 2018 20:47:45 GMT
It will be Jones in Whangarei. Spend that cash in Northland.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 19, 2018 22:08:08 GMT
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Post by jamie on Jul 21, 2018 14:10:24 GMT
On current numbers Labour would win re-election with the Greens as partners. National need to be either get closer to 50 or get NZ First on board.
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Post by cogload on Aug 12, 2018 17:50:13 GMT
I understand thete could be several NZ first friendly projects in the pipeline (shifting the NZ Navy base from Devonport to Whangerai being one).
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 5, 2020 1:47:50 GMT
The next New Zealand general election is scheduled for 19th September 2020.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2020 14:56:05 GMT
The next New Zealand general election is scheduled for 19th September 2020. Looking at the current polls, it'll be a job forming a government. The Nationals have no obvious partners with any strength, and the blessed Jacinda will be hamstrung by the difficulties of NZ First. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 5, 2020 15:57:28 GMT
The next New Zealand general election is scheduled for 19th September 2020. Looking at the current polls, it'll be a job forming a government. The Nationals have no obvious partners with any strength, and the blessed Jacinda will be hamstrung by the difficulties of NZ First. A Labour/Green coalition or confidence and supply arrangement isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. |
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