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Post by Foggy on Oct 20, 2017 21:42:02 GMT
I am not disputing the veracity of the current de jure status of Elizabeth II with regard to New Zealand. I'm merely pointing out that I find that, and the fact that Kiwis voted to keep the Union Jack in the canton of their flag, embarrassing. The Union Flag, you mean? Meh, either/or.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 22:15:30 GMT
The Union Flag, you mean? Meh, either/or. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 21, 2017 15:07:43 GMT
I am not disputing the veracity of the current de jure status of Elizabeth II with regard to New Zealand. I'm merely pointing out that I find that, and the fact that Kiwis voted to keep the Union Jack in the canton of their flag, embarrassing. The Union Flag, you mean? You should point that out, then: for a pedant you are usually mealy mouthed at times. The pedants are wrong on this one, the Flag Institute has confirmed. |
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Post by Jack on Oct 22, 2017 1:22:48 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 22, 2017 10:00:48 GMT
It is what a lot of people now think, so expect more of this sort of thing.
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Post by jamie on Oct 22, 2017 10:28:40 GMT
Sounds like she means more free market capitalism. She wants intervention to tackle things like homelessness and poverty. Doesn't exactly sound like she wants a socialist revolution. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 22, 2017 10:47:03 GMT
Does anyone know what they term 'capitalism' even means, other than being a lumping together everything that isn't pre-Industrial and isn't socialism and that Socialists don't like? As for the 'failures of capitalism' there's always the failures of socialism like this  That wasn't a failure though because it was deliberate |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2017 11:07:03 GMT
Sounds like she means more free market capitalism. She wants intervention to tackle things like homelessness and poverty. Doesn't exactly sound like she wants a socialist revolution. Yes, I doubt she really even means capitalism. She means things she doesn't like. Of course, NZ Labour's record of administering a capitalist economy is actually quite impressive. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 22, 2017 12:27:19 GMT
It is what a lot of people now think, so expect more of this sort of thing. I know its what a lot of people now think, its why Venezuelans have been eating dogs and zoo animals. I do expect more of that sort of thing, that's why its so important to speak out against it. Socialism kills. Its important to point that out to people. You seem to have forgotten that capitalism kills as well, that socialism covers a very wide range of systems from Scandinavian-style social democracy to Soviet-style state socialism, and that there are plenty of possible economic systems out there that don't really fit into either category. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 22, 2017 14:00:06 GMT
Getting back to the matter at hand I can't help but feel that the Nationals have come out of this very well. They have had three fairly successful terms in office and leave government still fairly popular. If they had gone on to a fourth term propped up by the absurd Winston Peters and his pathetic mob they would have likely been very unpopular and lost heavily next time round resulting in a Labour/Green government. Instead Labour will have the difficulty of governing while trying to keep fringe nutters to both their right and left happy. It will likely end very badly for them.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 22, 2017 16:51:55 GMT
People seem to be missing the specifically New Zealand context in which her remarks were made. This is about repudiating the Fourth Labour Government and its legacy, something that the party has, frankly, needed to do for a long time. She's not a naive idiot; in fact the disastrous decision of the Nationals to act as if she is is the principle reason why they've unexpectedly found themselves out of government.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 25, 2017 8:11:45 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 26, 2017 23:49:40 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 27, 2017 23:30:35 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Oct 27, 2017 23:48:11 GMT
That's a very pretty (and informative) map as usual, but the key in the top right corner gives two different spellings of the new Prime Minister's name.  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 27, 2017 23:56:59 GMT
Clearly the second spelling is phonetic (will correct tomorrow or whenever) |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 29, 2017 18:54:36 GMT
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Post by john07 on Nov 1, 2017 1:26:57 GMT
Sounds like she means more free market capitalism. She wants intervention to tackle things like homelessness and poverty. Doesn't exactly sound like she wants a socialist revolution. Yes, I doubt she really even means capitalism. She means things she doesn't like. Of course, NZ Labour's record of administering a capitalist economy is actually quite impressive. Can anyone forget Rogernomics? I think New Zealand are still following that economic path? Brexiteers would love it. |
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Post by neilm on Nov 1, 2017 15:45:31 GMT
Yes, I doubt she really even means capitalism. She means things she doesn't like. Of course, NZ Labour's record of administering a capitalist economy is actually quite impressive. Can anyone forget Rogernomics? I think New Zealand are still following that economic path? Brexiteers would love it. At one stage, public spending was down to about 30% of GDP. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
I dont get the impression Jacinda is some revolutionary socialist. It seems quite reasonable to say if NZ has the largest proportion of homelessness in the western world then that is a failure of the economic system. It maybe that in other countries alternative economic models have failed but that seems a poor argument in favour of the current economic model. Particularly when Jacinda is proposing market intervention as opposed to the great leap forward.
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