New Zealand General Election 2017

[gwynthegriff]

Oct 19, 2017 10:19:12 GMT jigger said:

Oct 19, 2017 9:08:45 GMT The Bishop said:

A slight surprise, perhaps?

Looking forward to what she does now, it would never have been possible without Labour's late surge.

In view of what happened both in NZ and here, the conventional wisdom of many political scientists that "campaigns don't matter" is going to have to be revised I think.

Another conventional wisdom of many political scientists/commentariat that will certainly have to be revised is the line that the two-party system in this country was on a continuous and inevitable decline - see the New Statesman leader from 6 November 2014 as a good example. There is nothing that has made me happier politically that to see that cretinous claim blown out of the water.

Is there any thread that cannot be diverted to your own very personal pet political priority?

[Deleted]

But the BES said before the campaign labour trailed the tories by 11

[jigger]

Oct 19, 2017 10:40:40 GMT @priceofdawn said:

Tbf cleggmania prevented cameron from achieving his maj

Is Jacinda a socialist?

She's certainly a republican, which is an essential requirement of being a socialist.

[Adam in Stroud]

Oct 19, 2017 10:48:12 GMT jigger said:

Oct 19, 2017 10:40:40 GMT @priceofdawn said:

Tbf cleggmania prevented cameron from achieving his maj

Is Jacinda a socialist?

She's certainly a republican, which is an essential requirement of being a socialist.

I think that's a bit off a "tin hat on first" comment but I'll leave it to the red team to respond.

[jigger]

Oct 19, 2017 10:45:17 GMT @priceofdawn said:

But the BES said before the campaign labour trailed the tories by 11

The BES said that the Conservatives were ahead of Labour by 14 points at the start of the campaign - Con 41%, Lab 27%, which was itself a bit lower than the national opinion polls at the time. Maybe the 11 point figure that you're thinking of is the Conservative lead at the local elections according to the PNV.

[Adam in Stroud]

Oct 19, 2017 10:45:17 GMT @priceofdawn said:

But the BES said before the campaign labour trailed the tories by 11

Their final summing up was this (my italics):

Together, these responses paint of a picture of the campaign influenced by a combination of the policies, campaign interviews and (non)appearances made by party leaders, and unforeseen and tragic events. Undoubtedly, these things influenced the outcome of the election and resulted in one of the most dramatic polling shifts ever seen over the course of the campaign. It is important to remember though that the vast majority of respondents said that nothing happened during the campaign that changed their view of the parties. A small minority may have been influenced by the campaign, but most had made up their minds long before.

[jigger]

Oct 19, 2017 10:50:18 GMT Adam in Stroud said:

Oct 19, 2017 10:48:12 GMT jigger said:

She's certainly a republican, which is an essential requirement of being a socialist.

I think that's a bit off a "tin hat on first" comment but I'll leave it to the red team to respond.

Well, though I am a supporter of the Labour Party, I do not consider myself a socialist because I am a staunch Monarchist. It's just my own opinion, but personally, I struggle to see how believing in a hereditary monarchy is compatible with a very important aim of socialism (the breaking down of class barriers) - maybe it is compatible for some socialists but as I say, I regard my support for the monarchy and Her Majesty as being a total blockage to me considering myself a socialist. 

[neilm]

Oct 19, 2017 10:45:04 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Oct 19, 2017 10:19:12 GMT jigger said:

Another conventional wisdom of many political scientists/commentariat that will certainly have to be revised is the line that the two-party system in this country was on a continuous and inevitable decline - see the New Statesman leader from 6 November 2014 as a good example. There is nothing that has made me happier politically that to see that cretinous claim blown out of the water.

Is there any thread that cannot be diverted to your own very personal pet political priority?

It's alright, albion will be back soon to divert everything to Boris.

[gwynthegriff]

Oct 19, 2017 11:08:40 GMT neilm said:

Oct 19, 2017 10:45:04 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Is there any thread that cannot be diverted to your own very personal pet political priority?

It's alright, albion will be back soon to divert everything to Boris.

Are there any decent pubs in New Zealand?

[neilm]

Oct 19, 2017 11:21:57 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Oct 19, 2017 11:08:40 GMT neilm said:

It's alright, albion will be back soon to divert everything to Boris.

Are there any decent pubs in New Zealand?

They have railways and Winston Peters wants more spent on them so...Auckland pubs anyone?

[Deleted]

I suppose u can have a working class monarch

[Devil Wincarnate]

Does anyone not feel grubby after working with Winston?

[Deleted]

Isn't the Australian PM a republican and also the great great grand newphew of George Lansbury.

[Sibboleth]

I think this is the point where, regardless of our views in general, we all gather together to laugh at Bill English.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Whilst the protagonist did not make it into Parliament, I wonder if there's an angle on the Greens that is worth keeping an eye on:

www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/97692666/clearing-the-bad-blood-between-winston-peters-and-greens

[Georg Ebner]

Oct 19, 2017 6:37:41 GMT maxque said:

And Labour got it.

Jacinda Ardern will become Prime Minister.

Amusing, considering the huge number of left AntiFas adorating Mrs.Ardern...

[cogload]

Oct 19, 2017 11:23:20 GMT neilm said:

Oct 19, 2017 11:21:57 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Are there any decent pubs in New Zealand?

They have railways and Winston Peters wants more spent on them so...Auckland pubs anyone?

De Post Mount Eden.

[Deleted]

How long will the government last one wonders.

In weeks.

[Andrew_S]

"Australian foreign minister Julie Bishop said she wouldn't be able to trust a NZ Labour government. That government is now a reality.

The elevation of Jacinda Ardern to the New Zealand prime ministership has pundits predicting awkward times ahead for Australian foreign minister Julie Bishop.

In the midst of the Barnaby Joyce citizenship crisis in August, Bishop declared she would "find it very difficult to build trust" with Ardern's Labour Party following revelations that a Australian Labor figure made contact with a NZ Labour MP.

Ardern returned fire, calling Bishop's "false claims" were "highly regrettable"."

www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98074696/jacinda-ardern-as-prime-minister-makes-things-awkward-for-australian-foreign-minister

[finsobruce]

Oct 19, 2017 19:05:16 GMT joe said:

How long will the government last one wonders.

In weeks.

Realistically , as long as Peters allows it to. It will be a real test of Arden's political mettle to see how she deals with him.