Norwegian Parliamentary Election 2017

[greenhert]

The Norwegian Green Party is not on the 'left'-it rightly considers itself outside the two traditional Norwegian blocs of left and right.

[karlsen]

Aug 29, 2017 23:46:13 GMT greenhert said:

The Norwegian Green Party is not on the 'left'-it rightly considers itself outside the two traditional Norwegian blocs of left and right.

True, it considers itself outside the blocs. But the party know, as everyone else does, where the majority of their votes come from. 

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Its still a toss-up and will depend on the "threshold game". The new Norstat poll has the centre-right ahead 85/84. Labour and Progress gain, Høyre, Centre and SV lose. Its 86/83 to the centre-left in poll of polls.

www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/q9mmw/Alt-om-Stortingsvalget-2017?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwpWQ8fCQ1gIVF14ZCh05zwiCEAAYASAAEgJ7UvD_BwE

Progress 17.0
Høyre 24.2

Labour 25.8
Centre 9.6
SV 5.9
Greens 4.6
Red 3.2

Liberals 3.5
KrF 4.5

Other 1.6

Also, NUPI (Norwegian Foreign Policy Institute) survey shows that 44% of Norwegians think immigrants and refugees are a major threat against Norway. I haven't looked into it, but it clearly makes things harder for Labour.

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I am counting the Greens as centre-left despite their official "unaffiliated" status because there is no way their voters would forgive them if they saved a government based on Progress. Their electorate is overwhelmingly leftist and despite Labour being pro-oil extraction its after all a lot greener than the other side (and so is Centre).

[Deleted]

Eivind Trædal in Dagbladet on the Listhaug in Rinkeby affair:

"Its a somewhat unusual form of diplomacy, but Norway also has an unusual government. For four years we have had a new form of governance, called a "blue-blue government". This governance model is based on four parties that strongly dislike each other pretending that they do not run the country together.

The Prime Minister pretends that it doesn't matter what her ministers say, so we always have to double check what the government really means. The governing party, Progress, pretends not to be in government, and say whatever they want. The two supporting parties, Venstre and the KrF, say that they detest the government (or at least part of it..) and do not want to acknowledge that they support the government. These days they campaign on throwing out the government and give it four more years at the same time.

It is easy to misunderstand and believe that the Norwegian government stands for something just because a member of the government says it. But that is not the case anymore. When a Norwegian minister says something sensational, ie. that Sweden is a failed state full of no-go zones, destroyed by immigration and out of control, it doesn't mean that the government believes this.

Sylvi Listhaug is not always a minister in Norway. Sometimes she's just a Progress-ist. That's the way it is with the whole government. Our ministers are not always ministers at the time of action. If the Finance Minister agrees that human rights should be put aside for asylum seekers, then she may not have been the Finance Minister when she said it. She may have done it in her spare time. If the Minister of Justice believes that climate change doesn't exist and pedophiles should be forcefully castrated it may have been in his lunch break.

And when the supporting parties say they despise everything the government's members say and that right wing populism is a threat to Europe, that doesn't mean that they will not vote for the Government's next state budget. Just because you disagree about all the main political issues doesn't mean you can not cooperate. After all, they get important concessions, such as the letter K not being removed from the Norwegian alphabet. We understand that it can be difficult to get used to the Norwegian government having at least two, sometimes four to five faces. It has been confusing to us too. But one gets used to everything."

[Devil Wincarnate]

Who was attempting to remove the letter K?

[karlsen]

Sept 6, 2017 22:29:35 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Who was attempting to remove the letter K?

It is a major issue for KRF to keep the "K" in the school subject KRLE ( Christianity, religion, philosophy and ethics). In 2008 the name was changed to RLE and the subject  was changed after several controversies and accusations about "christian indoctrination". It was a condition for KRFs support in 2013 that Solberg reintroduced the "K" and changed the main focus of the subject back to christianity. It is a silly issue, and not reasonable for non-christians (most people) but KRF cares deeply.

[Deleted]

The early voting period ended Friday and 27.3% of voters have cast their ballot (doing so before the final part leader debate yesterday). 

[Deleted]

Norfakta poll from 8/9 has 85-84 to the "centre-left". 

Conservatives 25.8 (44)
Progress 13.8 (24)

KrF 5.3 (9)
Venstre 4.2 (7)

Labour 26.3 (48)
Centre 10.5 (18)
Socialist Left 5.0 (9)
Greens 4.5 (8)
Red 3.1 (2)

[Deleted]

The two exit polls will be released at 9:00 p.m. CEST tomorrow. 

[karlsen]

Sad news from Bergen, Professor in comparative politics and psephologist Frank Aarebrot died on Saturday. He was always used as an expert on election night by the major broadcasters, and he was a big part of the political discourse generally. Always extremely popular with his students, he also became something of a national institution in later years. His lecture on 200 years of Norwegian history done in 200 minutes done in 2014 to mark 200 years since the signing of the constitution is now legendary. tv.nrk.no/program/DVFJ62001514/200-years-in-200-minutes

[karlsen]

Voted at 9 am, during the quietest part of the day at my local polling station. I expect that about half of the votes cast in the rural municipality where I live will have been early votes. For the first time, over 1 million voted early nationwide, but nobody is really sure about what this says about the overall turnout. My best guess is a turnout from the mid to high seventies like in 2013.

Voted Rødt, and my hope is a result over 3 %, and party leader Moxnes elected from Oslo. Breaking 3 % and getting representation in parliament will set the party up nicely for a crack at the 4 % threshold in 4 years. I also fear that we are in for four more years of the Sylvi and Erna show, but it will be very close.

[Foggy]

Sept 11, 2017 15:07:28 GMT karlsen said:

Voted Rødt, and my hope is a result over 3 %, and party leader Moxnes elected from Oslo. 

That's the party that hates Harald V, isn't it?

[freefair]

BONG! NRK exit poll- Government & supporting Parties- 85 seats
Opposition parties- 84. 
KrF and Liberals very close to the threshold , If either has failed it will need a change of government, I think Conservative-Progress-Centre have a majority, Greens and Red both have under 3%, each only have 1 seat.

[freefair]

On the other hand... /twitter.com/Electograph/status/907318488385167361

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Sept 11, 2017 19:18:09 GMT freefair said:

BONG! NRK exit poll- Government & supporting Parties- 85 seats
Opposition parties- 84. 
KrF and Liberals very close to the threshold If either has failed it will need a change of government, I think Conservative-Progress-Senter have a majority, Greens and Red both have under 3%, each only have 1 seat.

Centre can not ally with the most pro-centralising parties. 

[Deleted]

I had expected more tactical voting for the Greens, though some voters likely also ditched them to avoid wasting their vote.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Sept 11, 2017 19:31:58 GMT @odo said:

86-83 at 40%

NRK now showing 90-79 at 43%, which is odd.

[Khunanup]

Results live here www.nrk.no/valg/2017/resultat/

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