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Post by andrew111 on Jan 21, 2017 21:34:59 GMT
Yes, I think Nuttall may have a bit of a problem with his NHS policy.....
I never got anyone to tell me whether sounding like a Liverpudlian is good or bad in Stoke!
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 21, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
He can't win or even come close (absent an absurd electoral pileup that somehow doesn't affect his party's vote) with only UKIP voters. So, yes, crossover appeal matters: that is how normally safe seats are sometimes lost in them.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 21, 2017 23:10:24 GMT
Yes, I think Nuttall may have a bit of a problem with his NHS policy..... I never got anyone to tell me whether sounding like a Liverpudlian is good or bad in Stoke! Oddly the year I spent at FE college in Coventry people from south of Birmingham were convinced my accent was Liverpudlian, but as a Liverpool fan born and living in Stoke I don't reckon I sound anything like Stevie Gerrard or Jamie Carragher. Seriously though Nuttall's going to have to tread very carefully, a misstep such as opposing the cinema building in Oldham shows how risky it can be just dropping in on an area; Tristram Hunt did have the advantage of knowing something of the history of the place and its industrial heritage through his prior career. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 21, 2017 23:10:30 GMT
Yes, I think Nuttall may have a bit of a problem with his NHS policy..... I never got anyone to tell me whether sounding like a Liverpudlian is good or bad in Stoke! Unlikely to harm him. Stoke people tend to feel quite close to Liverpool. But Stoke also strongly feels itself as a Midlands city and not a northern one (I'm expecting visiting southern journalists to get that wrong). |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 21, 2017 23:15:57 GMT
Yes, I think Nuttall may have a bit of a problem with his NHS policy..... I never got anyone to tell me whether sounding like a Liverpudlian is good or bad in Stoke! Bad. (In that it will have any effect at all. Most people who voted UKIP in '15 probably won't be bothered one way or another. Those who didn't probably wouldn't even if the candidate spoke like Alvar Liddell (spelling?). On the margins there may be some negative impact - but most voters won't hear him speak!) |
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Post by Jack on Jan 22, 2017 0:01:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 0:57:16 GMT
Yes, I think Nuttall may have a bit of a problem with his NHS policy..... I never got anyone to tell me whether sounding like a Liverpudlian is good or bad in Stoke! Bad - Stoke is a Scone town |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 1:08:01 GMT
One person in this poll is very optimistic. or pesimistic |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 22, 2017 1:08:50 GMT
One person in this poll is very optimistic. or pesimistic Or pissed. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 22, 2017 1:21:37 GMT
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Post by neilm on Jan 22, 2017 1:56:10 GMT
Three of them now!
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 22, 2017 8:41:02 GMT
Why no Conservative option? They were well ahead of the LDs and only a handful of votes behind UKIP?
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Post by AdminSTB on Jan 22, 2017 9:27:43 GMT
Why no Conservative option? They were well ahead of the LDs and only a handful of votes behind UKIP? I didn't see a Conservative gain as a remotely likely outcome. UKIP are better placed as an opposition party with their party leader as candidate in a heavily Leave leaning area, and the Lib Dems - whilst their chances are slim - have recently shown they are now again capable of ridiculously random and fluke performances in by-elections as we recently witnessed in Sunderland. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 22, 2017 9:48:59 GMT
Why no Conservative option? They were well ahead of the LDs and only a handful of votes behind UKIP? I didn't see a Conservative gain as a remotely likely outcome. UKIP are better placed as an opposition party with their party leader as candidate in a heavily Leave leaning area, and the Lib Dems - whilst their chances are slim - have recently shown they are now again capable of ridiculously random and fluke performances in by-elections as we recently witnessed in Sunderland. That is a valid rational statement Swan but the Conservatives were only a whisper away from actually being the runner up with LDs way off. It is an area where the long term trend has been towards the Conservatives for the whole county whereas it is dull country for the LDs! If one countenances a poll I am amazed to see the second equal runner up omitted. I have not voted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 10:16:36 GMT
By the way, I was chatting yesterday to a former academic who had worked with Tristram Hunt at QMUL. Said he was a nasty piece of work, with a penchant for sadistically humiliating students.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 10:18:16 GMT
Given Nuttall's candidature this is obviously a two-horse race between Labour and UKIP and will be treated by the Conservative Party as such. The Conservatives will prioritise Copeland.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 22, 2017 10:46:30 GMT
Not sure if the Tories find Nuttall such a terrifying prospect they will feel the need to stay away from Stoke, tbh.
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Post by justin124 on Jan 22, 2017 10:59:47 GMT
I disagree with the idea that Nutall's candidature makes a significant difference. Most people have not heard of him - unlike Farage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 11:03:14 GMT
Not sure if the Tories find Nuttall such a terrifying prospect they will feel the need to stay away from Stoke, tbh. I'm not sure that the Tories would regard a UKIP victory, which would give that ailing party a new lease of life, as being in their interests. For that reason alone I would expect them to make some effort to shore up their vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 11:05:35 GMT
I disagree with the idea that Nutall's candidature makes a significant difference. Most people have not heard of him - unlike Farage. They will know who he is by polling day, but the short campaign gives him a very limited opportunity to sway voting intentions. |
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