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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 23:07:23 GMT
not until I googled him 10 seconds ago, that's interesting. Blimmin heck, dismissively referring to him as "Mr Harriet Harman" was almost de rigueur for a while with a certain type of online right winger. heard of "Mr Harriet Harman" just did not realise he was real |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 23:10:06 GMT
The union movement is so diminished these days that there is no longer the hostility between the T & G (Unite) and the GMB that there used to be. Nowadays they work together to try and defend what's left of the private sector unions. As even free market right wing commentators have pointed out, the collapse of unions is one of the main reasons why wages have stagnated for ordinary workers. Wow, OK.Len has done everything to fuck the GMB and the GMB now entice UNITE members, cool |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2017 23:12:51 GMT
Yes, but Jack Dromey has been a Labour insider for much longer than that. You know who his wife is, don't you? She's a veteran MP. He's not. It's like the journalists who refer to Thangam Debonnaire as a 'senior backbencher' or whenever we see any two-bit no mark referred to as a 'senior councillor' or whatever. Jack Dromey may have been a union official since the dawn of time, but is he a 'veteran MP?' No, he's not. We don't see Tory Grandee anymore though. Could that be because you no longer have any? |
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Post by rocky on Jan 21, 2017 0:12:07 GMT
I note it appears to be The Guardian describing him as "veteran Labour MP" as it doesn't appear in parentheses as a quote from Corbyn. On a perhaps more relevant point, Dromey has run a number of by-elections as minder, but was also responsible for the TGWU in North Staffordshire during his time as Deputy General Secretary to Bill Morris. (Also the irony of sending a Unite MP to a campaign being run out of the GMB Offices is somewhat fun). he has an excellent record in by-elections held in working class areas, in February, with high ukip votes in his own constituency lol |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 21, 2017 9:43:25 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2017 12:25:07 GMT
She's a veteran MP. He's not. It's like the journalists who refer to Thangam Debonnaire as a 'senior backbencher' or whenever we see any two-bit no mark referred to as a 'senior councillor' or whatever. Jack Dromey may have been a union official since the dawn of time, but is he a 'veteran MP?' No, he's not. We don't see Tory Grandee anymore though. That refers to Ken Clarke exclusively now. Nobody is a Big Beast anymore either. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 21, 2017 12:26:11 GMT
Some tried to claim the outgoing MP for this seat was exactly that  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2017 12:27:20 GMT
The union movement is so diminished these days that there is no longer the hostility between the T & G (Unite) and the GMB that there used to be. Nowadays they work together to try and defend what's left of the private sector unions. As even free market right wing commentators have pointed out, the collapse of unions is one of the main reasons why wages have stagnated for ordinary workers. I've found that Unite have been utterly useless wherever I've worked and they've been the official union. Although not as bad at the Lloyds staff union. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 21, 2017 12:31:11 GMT
Some tried to claim the outgoing MP for this seat was exactly that Well he is quite tall.... |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 21, 2017 12:33:59 GMT
The union movement is so diminished these days that there is no longer the hostility between the T & G (Unite) and the GMB that there used to be. Nowadays they work together to try and defend what's left of the private sector unions. As even free market right wing commentators have pointed out, the collapse of unions is one of the main reasons why wages have stagnated for ordinary workers. I've found that Unite have been utterly useless wherever I've worked and they've been the official union. Although not as bad at the Lloyds staff union. do you mean unpaid reps or paid regional officials? the inhouse bank unions were set up in most cases to stop the Labour affiliated unions organising in those companies and their independence has always been at least a little compromised as a result. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2017 12:41:58 GMT
I've found that Unite have been utterly useless wherever I've worked and they've been the official union. Although not as bad at the Lloyds staff union. do you mean unpaid reps or paid regional officials? the inhouse bank unions were set up in most cases to stop the Labour affiliated unions organising in those companies and their independence has always been at least a little compromised as a result. The paid officials, I don't think I ever saw a rep at all in an office. The Lloyds union was actually more militant than Unite when I was there. Unite tended to work with the bank to achieve outcomes, whereas the in-house one tended to make lots of noise around simplistic points. I forget why but they were banned from pay negotiations at one point whilst the other unions were not. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 21, 2017 12:50:50 GMT
do you mean unpaid reps or paid regional officials? the inhouse bank unions were set up in most cases to stop the Labour affiliated unions organising in those companies and their independence has always been at least a little compromised as a result. The paid officials, I don't think I ever saw a rep at all in an office. The Lloyds union was actually more militant than Unite when I was there. Unite tended to work with the bank to achieve outcomes, whereas the in-house one tended to make lots of noise around simplistic points. I forget why but they were banned from pay negotiations at one point whilst the other unions were not. Interesting. When I was a councillor it was very difficult to get people to be reps because it was such a bloody thankless task. This is why you tended to end up with the SWP and the like taking over. Also interesting. Possibly militant is the wrong word? They were just pissing about for no reason and management got tired of it. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 21, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
Back on to Stoke Central 😉 the Liberal Democrats appear to have reselected their 2015 candidate, Dr Zulfiqar Ali.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 21, 2017 13:33:28 GMT
The Sentinel has an article mentioning possible Labour candidates - some of whom have definitely declared, others are still considering. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/former-elected-mayor-mark-meredith-bids-to-be-labour-s-stoke-central-candidate/story-30072338-detail/story.htmlStephen Funnell: Stoke-on-Trent City councillor for Bentilee and Ubberley ("giving serious consideration") Dr Stephen Hitchin: Former A&E doctor Trudie McGuinness: Candidate for Staffordshire Moorlands 2015 Mark Meredith: Mayor of Stoke-on-Trent 2005-09 Dr Darren Price: Candidate for Congleton 2015 Chris Spence: Newcastle-under-Lyme borough councillor for Holditch Mike Stubbs: Former leader of Newcastle-under-Lyme borough council |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 21, 2017 14:05:21 GMT
The Sentinel has an article mentioning possible Labour candidates - some of whom have definitely declared, others are still considering. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/former-elected-mayor-mark-meredith-bids-to-be-labour-s-stoke-central-candidate/story-30072338-detail/story.htmlStephen Funnell: Stoke-on-Trent City councillor for Bentilee and Ubberley ("giving serious consideration") Dr Stephen Hitchin: Former A&E doctor Trudie McGuinness: Candidate for Staffordshire Moorlands 2015 Mark Meredith: Mayor of Stoke-on-Trent 2005-09 Dr Darren Price: Candidate for Congleton 2015 Chris Spence: Newcastle-under-Lyme borough councillor for Holditch Mike Stubbs: Former leader of Newcastle-under-Lyme borough council Mike Stubbs remains a N-u-L councillor for Talke Ward, and Mark Meredith served as a Stoke City councillor(and Cabinet member) from 2010-15. Also Dr Hitchin is apparently resuming work imminently as an A&E Consultant at Royal Stoke University Hospital (and is a Chesterfield Borough Councillor FWIW). Cllr Spence is posting elsewhere that Clare White, who works for the Worker's Educational Association and lives in Stoke North has applied (if memory serves she was on the shortlist for North that saw Ruth Smeeth selected pre-2015). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 15:22:21 GMT
Libdem candidate is dr Zulfiqar Ali, a doctor and their 2015 General Election candidate.
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 21, 2017 16:51:52 GMT
do you mean unpaid reps or paid regional officials? the inhouse bank unions were set up in most cases to stop the Labour affiliated unions organising in those companies and their independence has always been at least a little compromised as a result. The paid officials, I don't think I ever saw a rep at all in an office. The Lloyds union was actually more militant than Unite when I was there. Unite tended to work with the bank to achieve outcomes, whereas the in-house one tended to make lots of noise around simplistic points. I forget why but they were banned from pay negotiations at one point whilst the other unions were not. My wife was working for LloydsTSB when the pay/contract dispute you're probably referring to took place. Unite completely caved in and agreed to a terrible change in contract for call centre workers (as my wife was) with management while giving dire (and entirely incorrect) advice about what would happen if the staff members didn't sign. Lloyds union on the other hand held out and advised their members not to sign. The deal was ultimately changed so it was slightly better for the staff. At the time my mate, a barrister who specialises in employment cases, took a look at what the staff were being offered and couldn't believe any union would recommend that to their members. Unite lost virtually members at the call centre after that debacle and Lloyds staff union membership shot up. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jan 21, 2017 19:23:27 GMT
Prediction poll added.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 21, 2017 20:18:32 GMT
People predicting a UKIP win here might not have noticed Nuttall's approval ratings since he became UKIP leader (they aren't much better than Corbyn's)
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 21, 2017 21:32:13 GMT
People predicting a UKIP win here might not have noticed Nuttall's approval ratings since he became UKIP leader (they aren't much better than Corbyn's) UKIP voters tend not to worry about leaders. Or policies. |
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